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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 10:21 AM
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SIRIUS or XM (for content)

Just a couple of questions for you:

1) Is Howard Stern the sole reason for you buying Sirius satellite service?

2) If Stern is not a consideration, is Fox News a reason to choose XM instead of Sirius?

The purpose of the question is to find out if any of you find yourself aggravated because of Sirius' decision to dump Fox News from their news content.

I have been happy with Sirius, mainly because the news programming was very similar, and I wouldn't have to incur any headaches with buying an aftermarket H/U or other gear to get XM....I have subscriptions to both, but now considering dumping my Sirius.....bummer.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 10:33 AM
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i got it solely for stern and even though the show hasn't started yet, i haven't listened to regular radio since.

i don't care for fox news and, thus, it wasn't a consideration for purchase nor do i care that it's gone.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 11:10 AM
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Bought it for Stern as well as the Music. The NY area radio stations post stern are just sucking....Krock changed Free FM talk....C'mon
 
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 12:34 PM
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Bought it for 4 reasons:

1) official OEM option
2) the "underdog" compared to XM
3) ALL of the professional sports I care about (I'm not a big MLB fan)
4) yep, Howard Stern

Add to that the option to get a lifetime subscription for one lump sum (at least until the end of this month), and it was a no-brainer for me. I don't care for Fox News' style of reporting either, so no biggie there to me. Curious to know the reason behind the decision though - I wonder if Stern had anything to do with it at all?
 
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Edge
Bought it for 4 reasons:

1) official OEM option
2) the "underdog" compared to XM
3) ALL of the professional sports I care about (I'm not a big MLB fan)
4) yep, Howard Stern

Add to that the option to get a lifetime subscription for one lump sum (at least until the end of this month), and it was a no-brainer for me. I don't care for Fox News' style of reporting either, so no biggie there to me. Curious to know the reason behind the decision though - I wonder if Stern had anything to do with it at all?
From a press release article:


XM inks with Fox News for exclusive deal

By Paul Bond
XM Satellite Radio, which announced amid fanfare Wednesday that it narrowly missed its goal of 6 million subscribers by year's end, has unceremoniously become the exclusive satellite radio provider of Fox News content.

Although it sold enough radios to put it over the 6 million mark, XM said that not enough people activated their service to put it above that threshold. The company also said it will boast 9 million subs by the end of 2006.

Meanwhile, XM's exclusivity with Fox News comes courtesy of rival Sirius Satellite Radio's failure to come to terms with the network, despite an hourlong meeting between Fox News topper Roger Ailes and Sirius CEO Mel Karmazin, insiders said.

The previous Sirius-Fox News arrangement ended last year so Sirius stopped broadcasting the Fox News television simulcast before midnight on New Year's Eve and replaced it with CNN Headline News. Fox radio personalities Tony Snow and Alan Colmes, who were heard on channels separate from the Sirius feed of TV's Fox News Channel, already had been yanked in mid-December.

Satellite radio observers noted that XM scored a coup by renegotiating with Fox News under the assumption it essentially would be sharing content with Sirius. With Sirius out -- at least for now -- XM gets an important slate of content exclusively, though at an unexclusive rate. Fox News is about the third-most-listened-to channel among the more than 140 channels offered by XM, insiders said.

Terms of XM's new, multiyear deal with Fox News, inked late last year, have not been disclosed.

Observers speculated Wednesday that Sirius might have balked at a price hike from Fox News in order to conserve cash after signing Howard Stern to an exclusive deal for $500 million over five years.

They also speculated that XM received a sweetheart deal from Fox News because of XM's relationship with DirecTV, because both are controlled by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., though Fox News Radio senior vp Kevin Magee rebuffed the notion.

"That's just nonsense," he said. "We never asked a penny more from Sirius than from XM," said Magee, adding that a deal still could be struck with Sirius. "They have my cell phone number, and I'm available to talk at a moment's notice."

Sirius did not return calls seeking comment.

"I have to tell you, anyone who thinks you can swap Fox News with CNN Headline News and no one will notice, is wrong," Magee said. "I personally got 500 e-mails about it."

As to its subscriber announcement, XM made it Wednesday at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. The company, run by CEO Hugh Panero, said it ended the year with 5.93 million subscribers, but that once the radios purchased as holiday gifts were activated, it would send it beyond the 6 million mark.

Wall Street investors treated the addition of about 903,000 new subscribers during the fourth quarter as falling slightly short of guidance, and XM shares in after-hours trading sunk to $27.52, hovering above a 52-week high $26.16.

XM's fourth-quarter addition compared with Sirius' 830,000 new subs for the same frame. Wall Street analysts are poised to debate whether Stern, who officially begins with Sirius on Monday, was worth his hefty price tag.

Amateur pundits already were sounding off in chat rooms Wednesday. "Sirius kicked your *** and it ain't finished yet," one Sirius investor wrote to XM investors.

Also at CES, XM has been touting initiatives for delivering satellite TV to cars and has been showing off portable satellite radios that double as MP3 players.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 01:26 PM
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If they want NEWS, why did they pick Fox.....

OHH!!! I get it, they wanted MONEY!!!!
 
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 01:40 PM
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If they want NEWS, why did they pick Fox.....

OHH!!! I get it, they wanted MONEY!!!!
...and wanting to run a profitable business is wrong??????

Sorry....back to the topic......

Sirius content or XM content better?

Other than Stern and Fox News.....I find them to be very similar, and would lean toward XM.......(I don't particularly care for the "low brow" vulgarity from Stern)

...and now this.....insider trading by Stern associates?

Howard Stern to Get $220M in Sirius Stock
Jan 05 4:24 PM US/Eastern
NEW YORK

Sirius Satellite Radio Inc. will give Howard Stern 34 million shares of stock _ worth about $220 million at today's prices _ because the company has met agreed-upon targets for gaining new subscribers under its 2004 deal with the shock jock.
In a regulatory filing Thursday, Sirius said its subscriber count as of Dec. 31, 2005, exceeded the target it had agreed upon with Stern in October 2004, when it made a five-year deal with him.


At the time, Sirius said its deal with Stern would be worth about $100 million per year beginning in 2006. The 34.4 million shares were worth about $110 million then, but the stock has roughly doubled since then.
Stern begins his new show on Sirius on Jan. 9, having left his longtime employer Infinity Broadcasting, which has been renamed CBS Radio, a unit of CBS Corp.
Last month the former president of an accounting firm that Stern used pleaded guilty to insider trading in Sirius shares before the news of Stern's move to Sirius was made public. Gary D. Herwitz, 50, formerly of Mahoney Cohen & Co., faces up to 16 months in prison at his sentencing in March.
Sirius and its rival, the Washington, D.C.-based XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc., have been spending heavily to line up programming and lure in subscribers to the paid radio services, which work around the country and carry more than 100 channels of commercial-free music as well as talk programming. Both services cost $12.95 per month and require special radio receivers.
New York-based Sirius didn't say what subscriber target it had agreed to with Stern, but it also announced Thursday that it finished 2005 with more than 3.3 million subscribers, compared with 1.1 million at the end of 2004. XM said Wednesday that it now has more than 6 million subscribers.
Shares of Sirius rose 7 cents, or 1.1 percent, to $6.43 in afternoon trading on the Nasdaq, while XM shares fell 51 cents, or 1.8 percent, to $27.33.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by nvus111
Sirius content or XM content better?

Other than Stern and Fox News.....I find them to be very similar, and would lean toward XM.......(I don't particularly care for the "low brow" vulgarity from Stern)
Do you have any professional sports preferences?

XM... MLB, PGA, NASCAR
Sirius... NFL, NBA, NHL

Since I personally don't care about baseball, golf or NASCAR, just having football and hockey is almost reason enough for me.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 03:17 PM
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I have XM in our home, cars, my partner's home and soon in the office. I don't give a hoot about the news and to me, Fox is a turn-off....but...as an active fusion jazz rock, eclectic, avant gard, etherial, etc. musician...the music that is played on a number of the XM stations is so great, that I will continue my subscriptions for the forseeable future...check-out "Fine Tuning, #76", "Beyond Jazz, #72" and "XM Music Lab, #51"....great music...stuff you will never hear on regular radio and might not ever experience or be exposed to at all except for its delivery by XM...music from all over the world.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2006 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Edge
Do you have any professional sports preferences?

XM... MLB, PGA, NASCAR
Sirius... NFL, NBA, NHL

Since I personally don't care about baseball, golf or NASCAR, just having football and hockey is almost reason enough for me.
I don't care to listen to sports on the radio.....although I do have fond memories of listening the the transistor radio under my pillow as a kid....old time radio theatre and some high school sports....I would rather watch on TV or not bother......

I am also a fan of "alternative" music of all genres, and find the selection of both XM and Sirius to be pretty darn good.....like you say, ANDROMCS, nothing you'd ever hear on terrestrial radio, for sure.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2006 | 06:44 AM
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I am not in the car enough to justify paying for radio (only drive approx 20 miles per day during the week) but I do believe that satellite radio is the future of radio & will change our listening habits just like cable did to TV. I believe that over time as satellite radio continues to grow that both XM & Sirius will begin to have the same content much like cable/satellite TV does today. I don't think they can keep up the "exclusive" thing much longer.
 
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 10:27 AM
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One of the reasons I would never get Sirius is because of that sexual pervert/pig Howard Stern!

XM radio is now included with DirecTV which is cool. Love the free streaming with XM. Don't listen to it for the news. Don't miss FM radio at all.
 
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 02:33 PM
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While sitting in my office, I listen to either XM or Sirius (depending on my mood) streaming over the internet.

Paying the fee is not that expensive, when you really do the math....I probably lose more than $0.50 per day in loose change, and that is about what either costs.....

Yeah, I have about a 20 mile commute each way, but find the streams to be the biggest benefit that I take advantage of......

BTW....I am not a fan of Stern, but I did buy some Sirius stock, since it is a relative bargain compared to XM, and will likely increase in value to about the same price as XM over the next year, or so......
 
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by cra_fizzer
One of the reasons I would never get Sirius is because of that sexual pervert/pig Howard Stern!

XM radio is now included with DirecTV which is cool. Love the free streaming with XM. Don't listen to it for the news. Don't miss FM radio at all.
XM has "sexual/pervert pig" radio too. Just listen to Opie and Anthony.
 
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cra_fizzer
One of the reasons I would never get Sirius is because of that sexual pervert/pig Howard Stern!
Originally Posted by cooperjedi
XM has "sexual/pervert pig" radio too. Just listen to Opie and Anthony.
LOL! Oh how the mighty hath fallen.

Both services try to cater to all audiences - from the "uncensored, perverted" stuff to Christian channels.

Don't blame the method, just pick your channels/stations accordingly. Same goes for cable TV/satellite TV, etc. Cra_fizzer, did you stop watching TV or listening to broadcast radio because of some of the suggestive content before, including Stern? No, you just didn't watch/listen to that specific content, right? Why let it limit your choices of media now?

I am pretty sure that they have a way of telling which stations are listened to by "how many" people, so I don't think you'll be helping Stern's "numbers" if you buy SIRIUS but don't tune in to him.
 
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 04:24 PM
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Let's clear up some Mis-information -

"XM... MLB, PGA, NASCAR
Sirius... NFL, NBA, NHL "

XM also has NHL hockey and I believe every single game.

Second, XM did hit their target of 6 Million Subs

Third - Sirius stock is highly diluted, it's not going to hit a share price of higher than say 8.50-9.00 - even if they hit all their targets.

Fourth - Quality of hardware and innovation - Sirius has shot it's wad on programming talent and they scored a coup with HooHoo Howie. XM's technology far exceeds Sirius - go into Best Buy and compare Sirius portable S50 with XM's Delphi MyFI and upcoming Pioneer Units - XM blows them away and you can actually use the portable unit while you walk around - the Sirius unit only lets you listen to music that you're recorded on it. Dumb if you ask me.
 
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by krut
Let's clear up some Mis-information -

"XM... MLB, PGA, NASCAR
Sirius... NFL, NBA, NHL "

XM also has NHL hockey and I believe every single game.
The NHL hockey coverage must be VERY new, because look at this: Go to XM's site (www.xmradio.com), click on "Learn about XM", then click on "The Best Programming". Scroll down to "The BEST Sports Coverage". What do you see? MLB, NASCAR, ACC stuff and "sports talk". Nothing about NHL. Heck, they don't even list PGA.
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Second, XM did hit their target of 6 Million Subs.

Third - Sirius stock is highly diluted, it's not going to hit a share price of higher than say 8.50-9.00 - even if they hit all their targets.
Who cares? As long as SIRIUS doesn't go out of business, if I'm only a customer, not an investor, I don't really care who has more market share, or what the stock price is... all I REALLY care about is the content.
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Sirius has shot it's wad on programming talent and they scored a coup with HooHoo Howie.
To paraphrase the famous realtor's statement... Content, Content, Content! Wait a minute... what was the name of this thread again?
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Fourth - Quality of hardware and innovation - XM's technology far exceeds Sirius - go into Best Buy and compare Sirius portable S50 with XM's Delphi MyFI and upcoming Pioneer Units - XM blows them away and you can actually use the portable unit while you walk around - the Sirius unit only lets you listen to music that you're recorded on it. Dumb if you ask me.
Sure, if carrying a handheld unit is important to you, that would be a convincing argument. For me, I just wanted it in my car, and the Internet streaming audio fills in the "house/work" niche. The technology question is valid... but matters more to some than others. Not trying to trash your arguments (they are good points), just that some people (like me) won't care about the other sports, the "technology" difference (which I'm sure won't matter so much in time when new units come out), the stock price or the number of subscribers.
 
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 04:52 PM
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Either way.. two nancent technolgies can compete against each other sucessfully - look at Direct TV vs. DishNetwork. Its good for the satellite radio industry and will shake up tradtional radio - Sirius is a good competitor for XM and they're both superb competitors for traditional radio.

I just hope congress doesn't decide to introduce legislature to "censure" dirty words and prurient content like they currently do on "free" radio and television. The reason I pay for Satellite TV and Radio is because I want to be free of encumbrances of legislation.

If you need help strictly on deciding on content before you commit- you can sign up for an online (free three day) trial of XM Online or Sirius Online.
 
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by krut
If you need help strictly on deciding on content before you commit- you can sign up for an online (free three day) trial of XM Online - not sure if Sirius offers a free online trial.
Sirius offers the exact same 3-day online trial for free too. And their monthly subscription price is also exactly the same - $12.95. Not sure how the quarterly/semi-annual/annual/multiyear subscription plans stack up. Until January 31, SIRIUS has a lifetime $500 deal going. Not too bad since it pays for itself in 3 years & 3 months at the highest (monthly subscription) rate. Transferrable up to 3 times to other receivers if you change your equipment down the road.

The only thing I hate about both XM & SIRIUS' Internet streaming audio options is that it's really only the music content. Virtually all of the other content is only available if you use a real receiver... it has to do with the fact that 3rd-parties provide most of the extra content, and the contract doesn't allow streaming Internet audio for it. Sucks... I hope they add that with contract renewal down the road! (for both XM & SIRIUS)
 
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by krut
If you need help strictly on deciding on content before you commit- you can sign up for an online (free three day) trial of XM Online - not sure if Sirius offers a free online trial.
Originally Posted by krut
If you need help strictly on deciding on content before you commit- you can sign up for an online (free three day) trial of XM Online or Sirius Online.
LOL, nice post edit. I agree that most people who aren't sure really should listen to both first. They are both "good", it will come down to details.
 
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 07:20 PM
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Very interesting news story on today's Stern debut:

News.com: Shock jock Stern enjoys unregulated radio debut

A few notable quotes from it:

* Stern: "I have a personal rule that I'm not going to curse"
* Article author: The few times an off-color word did leave Stern's mouth, he was quick to say that he was trying not to curse liberally and scolded others for turning to profanity for profanity's sake.
* Stern: "We are going to go to new places and that doesn't mean the F-word. If that's what satellite means, then that's ridiculous. Then it's just pornography."

It seems that Stern is not interested in the "shock value" just for the sake of it... that's not to say that he will "clean up", but that it isn't quite as bad as many expected.
 
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 06:39 AM
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Will Stern lose some of his "appeal" because, now people won't sit by and wonder if he is going to say something "blue." There is no mother standing by with a bar of soap to scrub his mouth out.....

At any rate....if the stock only goes to 8.50 or 9, I will stil be looking at a 30% increase, and I will take that all day long!!!!!

I am still disappointed that Sirius did not renew Fox News.....I have begun listening to ABC radio, and it is just not the same (I like the morning show banter....and you cannot get the same thing on CNN)
 
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