So I am thinking of replacing my end links with Alta ones and rear control arms.

Will the rear control arms allow me to correct the alignment of my rear wheels? Because right now they sit slightly cocked due to my H-sport springs.

Will I notice much a difference by changing my end links? I figure I will change all 4 (front and rear). I have a 22mm Alta in the rear and would like to take full advantage of it.

 

yes the control arms will bring your camber back into line.

no you don't need the end links as much, they will not hurt anything, but you could save a few bucks till you go big time race suspension.

 

Not much of a racer yet but I want to be I don't have the budget for another set of rims and tires. I just want to keep what I have working right for now.

 

id use that fund for endlinks towards tires.

 

You think the endlinks will make that little of a differnece?

 

Spend your money somewhere else. Save up for front camber plates first.

 

yep, little to zip unless you want to use the intermediate settings on an
adjustable swaybar.

 

Thanks for help guys I will look into getting the rear adjustable control arms.

 

Onasled and agokart.
Should he get just the lower rear adjustable. The uppers are for toe in if I'm not mistaken. No need to correct toe, that won't change with lowering springs or coilovers. Is that correct??

 

yeah just lowers is all he needs to adjust camber.

mdsbrain-
take a look at my web site. we carry them all. 1 2 or 2.5 3

 

Rear toe can be adjusted on a Mini up at the trailing arm mount. Replacement of upper control arms would be for the porpose of getting a better bushing or hiem joint and weight savings.

 

does the toe change while he adjusts camber or has no ill effects?

 

Maybe if I help clarify why I want these parts you guys can help me to better understand.

I want the control arms to correct my rear wheels alignment.

I was going to get the endlinks to replace a relatively cheap part with a stiffer, stonger peice...if that makes sense.

 

mdsbrain
All you would need is the H-sport lower arms to get your rear camber back to stock or one of the recomended settings for auto-x or track. There is also replacement bushings that have camber adj. if you just want to do bushings.

 

There is nothing wrong with the stock drop links. They are not "cheap".

AND, hey, you have an '05? I believe that year has rear camber adjustment in the stock control arms.

 

First point...I'm no expert and bought stuff.

Second thing:
When I took my car for an alignment they said there wasn't enough adjustment in my 05 arms to make it right. Are they BSing me?

 

mdsbrain
Your dealer maybe right. I believe I read where the 05 only had .5 of a degree of adj.

 

Will someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Unless you are lucky enough that your springs allow your mini to be EXACTLY level, non-adjustable end links will pre-load the sway bar which will actually jack the corner weight. Adjustable end links will allow you to lenghten or shorten as necessary so that the antisway bar ends are parallel and unloaded. This may be only one or two turns in adjusted length but, that can eliminate as much as 320 lbs/inch preload.

When switching to lower springs, camber in front won't change but toe will change. In the rear, both camber and toe will change. Therefore, with lowering springs, its better to have both upper & lower rear adjustable control arms. This being said, many will live with the increased rear camber and just get one set to adjust just the toe.

 

This part I know isn't true. As soon as spring were put on, front camber went WAY off. So bad I considered camber plates but then they settled down (maybe thats needed) and all was OK.

 

I'll stand corrected. Just what Randy Webb told me.

 

Yes, front camber will change when lowered, but not so much that it should be a worry. If fact it should be for the better and in fact may be one of the reasons that people with lowered Minis feel such a handling improvement.
Toe will change in front and that should be checked. It will in fact 'toe in' which is the opposite of what you want.
Rear camber changes more as we know. Toe should not change I don't think. Problem with the added rear negative camber is that it will contribute to the understeer that we tend to want to get rid of.

Yes, if you wanted to balance the car out then it ALWAYS should have adjustable drop links. But being that the majority of street drivers won't note the difference, then it's not all that necessary until you get serious about racing and or install height adjustable struts.

 

Just don't know why this would happen. "Way Off"?

 

yes, the rear toe will be more suseptible to a zero to a slight toe-out
condition when lessening neg camber on the rear using just
the lower rods, but will not affect toe like on your other car which
has a very complicated multi-link suspension, ken.

 

maybe to him -1.5 is way off, where as we might prefer -2 on the front.

 

I haven't lowered my Mini yet so can't speak for sure but, back in the day when I changed the camber on my F/P MG Midget, I always had to adjust the toe. Was told then, and from what I have seen on other cars since, changing the camber, by what ever means, will change the toe.