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I am looking at getting back in the Mini ownership. I sold my 2017 JCW last fall and should not have done that. I have found another 2017 JCW online that will ship to my home but it is confusing to me.
Sounds like an S with the JCW exhaust package that includes a tune to increase torque and HP. Included in the package was a JCW badge. Not a true JCW but the acceleration will be about the same.
if it's a true JCW it'll say so in about 13 different places. my F-56 is obviously an S but it says JCW on the hatch due to the factory-installed JCW tune kit & sticker under the hood & tune-kit badge on upper motor cover, and cardboard plaque in glovebox. (+ it's lowered, Red calipers, Magnaflow exh.) & they call it a JCW on all the bills they hand me. they are stock - 189hp, JCW tune-kit 228hp (at flywheel) . mine is 300hp @ flywheel and 247hp @ wheel ( dyno-proven)
my '15 S was built at the factory to sit on the Miami Dealership Showroom Floor & sell Minis. it says JCW in one place, the hatch. instead of being 189hp, it's got factory-installed JCW Tune Kit - 228hp. @ flywheel. the engine cover & under hood sticker + little cardboard tune-kit notice in glovebox & JCW chrome plaque on hatch there are 2 different horsepower measurements, at the flywheel & at the drive-wheel (ground). BUT mine was hot-tuned @ Renn Haus who pumped it up to 300 fwhp or 247hp @ wheel (dyno proven) boosted turbo to 25 lb. it's scary. they also put on JCW brakes.
It's an S with some JCW parts. If it has the full JCW tune (Exhaust and engine tune), it will likely be a bit quicker for around town driving as that tune provides the full TQ at around 1500 RPM while the real JCW is near 5K.to get the full TQ numbers.
A pix of my old 2015 MCS with the JCW tune and some JCW gingerbread. I was going going to order a new 2019 JCW until I drove one compared to my 2015. I wound up ordering another MCS w/ the JCW tune
It really sounds like JCW aero package + JCW exhaust tune (exhaust, tune + JCW rear badge on the left side and engine cover badge with serial).
237 HP doesnt seems right. IT should be 215 range of HP with JCW tune on S model.
If you question this, as you have, you should walk away.
Doesnt sound right to me.
That's a good point. We can all sit here figuring out what it is, but it doesn't look like it's what the dealer is advertising. They are either lying to you, or they need to do some explaining.
It’s very simple. If there are no red calipers it’s a tune, and there is likely a sticker in the engine bay with the tuning kit serial #. Most dealers aren’t savvy in the world of mini to know the difference. If anything it should put you in a good bargaining position if you can demonstrate it’s not a factory JCW. As mentioned you won’t lose out on the fun factor. The S can be optioned to be more plush than a JCW, and the tune adds needed oomph. The exhaust will give you the choice of civilized to raucous noise which is also a plus….you just don’t get the 10mm lower sport suspension and red calipers that came from factory. Lots of reasons to walk away from some used cars but I don’t think this would be one.
In this situation, I would still try to verify if the car even has the JCW exhaust and tune.
If it has the exhaust, there will be a controller in the car that you press and the exhaust flap will open, You can see and hear the diff. For the engine tune, there should be a sticker on the engine cowl and a piece of documentation in the glove box (providing whoever ordered it kept it w/ the paperwork). Dealer can run the VIN and see if there was a JCW tune installed on the car. The car having the "S" grille is a dead giveaway that it's not a JCW. JCW front fascia is completely different as is the rear roof lline (JCW has a aero wing MCS doesn't). Also the plastic round center gauge ring for the JCW is different from the S. The car is an "S" and should be priced as a used "S" and not a JCW.
take the VIN # to Mini store, have them run a VIN # sheet. simple as that when I got my mini, the store ran off 3 things for me. the build sheet, the carfax, & the VIN # sheet. my S also had a tune-kit cardboard badge in glovebox.
I am in the process of adding the JCW tune kit to my car as we speak(Its at the dealer). According to the dealer it is only going to add 15-20 Hp. So it's not going to be anywhere close to the 228 HP claimed on the stock JCW cars. AS others have said it will have the blue tooth button to control the baffle. Your looking at 210 hp best case vs 228hp out of the kit. You need the variable vain JCW turbo to get to the 228 hp.
I am in the process of adding the JCW tune kit to my car as we speak(Its at the dealer). According to the dealer it is only going to add 15-20 Hp. So it's not going to be anywhere close to the 228 HP claimed on the stock JCW cars. AS others have said it will have the blue tooth button to control the baffle. Your looking at 210 hp best case vs 228hp out of the kit. You need the variable vain JCW turbo to get to the 228 hp.
The published numbers are pretty conservative. This article shows the dyno results for a factory JCW vs an S with a tuning kit. The torque on the tuning kit gives more usable low end power (+19 ft-lbs) which is what you’ll feel more of around town. It is 15hp less at the crank but
The HP numbers aren't big, but the torque improvement is dramatic. The HP numbers are less than the JCW because the torque drops off earlier. You'll definitely notice the difference.
The HP numbers aren't big, but the torque improvement is dramatic. The HP numbers are less than the JCW because the torque drops off earlier. You'll definitely notice the difference.
That was a big reason why the Mini salesman that rode with me in my JCW tuned S after test driving a new JCW said my car felt faster running the same streets during a test drive. The low end pep is really noticeable (which is where you'll be operating it in town).
FWIW, I was trading my 2015 C7 and wanted to test drive an Audi TTS. That car was beautiful. I did the test drive and was really disappointed in that car's response in the low range, The only way I could feel like I was getting some performance was if I kept the motor was high in the 'rev" range (which isn't how I would normally drive a car around town). I then test drove a BMW M240i and I was blown away by it's performance comparing it to the TTS. Low end "grunt" was there (just like the C7) without having to drop down in gear to get the RPM's and the acceleration. Like the JCW tuned Mini S, the the BMW would just take off even if the RPM's were low.. Anymore I look at a car's TQ numbers and the RPM when that TQ comes on line. The lower the RPM's to get max TQ is my choice. I also look at the HP number and the TQ numbers favoring a TQ number higher than the publish HP number.
