Stock Problems/Issues Discussions related to warranty related issues and repairs, or other problems with the OEM parts and software for MINI Cooper (R50), Cabrio (R52), and Cooper S (R53) MINIs.

Bent a tie rod, what else should I look for

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 18, 2014 | 06:34 PM
  #1  
climbingaggie03's Avatar
climbingaggie03
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Bent a tie rod, what else should I look for

So I slid into a curb a few days ago and bent my right front tie rod. I pulled the tie rod off, and I've got a new one coming tomorrow, and of course I plan on getting it aligned after I get the new tie rod on and I figured I'd ask the shop to look it over, Is there anything else that is likely bent?

The steering rack feels nice and smooth, the the lower control arm looks fine. The wheel got pretty dinged up, but it's still holding air just fine. I'm just nervous the shop is gonna tell me something expensive is bent. Also the rear took a bit of a hit but I'm hoping it just needs realignment at most.
 
Attached Thumbnails Bent a tie rod, what else should I look for-tie-rod-1.jpg   Bent a tie rod, what else should I look for-tie-rod-2.jpg  
Reply
Old Nov 18, 2014 | 09:25 PM
  #2  
v10climber's Avatar
v10climber
6th Gear
10 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,394
Likes: 19
From: FL
The part of the steering knuckle the tie rod bolts to could be bent. Check what the "arm" looks like compared to the other side. I've seen it where the tie rod was OK but the cast knuckle bent.

EDIT: If you haven't replaced the control arm bushings yet then you probably just accelerated their wear. Just keep in mind in the future things on that corner of the car could wear out earlier than the other stuff. Things like ball joints failing earlier than expected.

Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using NAMotoring
 
Reply
Old Nov 19, 2014 | 02:33 PM
  #3  
climbingaggie03's Avatar
climbingaggie03
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Thanks, I looked at it and it seems fine, I'll get it in the shop and get it aligned. I don't think the control arm bushings have been replaced. It's an 03, I bought it with 56k on the clock and it's only up to 62k. I did replace the control arm bushings on my last Mini, but not until 110kish. I'll keep an eye on them though, thanks for the heads up.
 
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2014 | 04:51 AM
  #4  
Drivehard's Avatar
Drivehard
4th Gear
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 478
Likes: 2
From: Long Island NY
If you already got the tie rod in. Look at the distance between the top of the tire and the strut/shock. A tight fit on one side usually indicates that strut or spindle is bent. Also look at the strut mount and see if the bolts that come thru the tower are pointing straight up.

When aligned if he can't get the camber in spec something else is bent.

Pay close attention over the next few hundred miles for noise from the hub bearing. They were designed to take a radial load and not a side load and don't like being pushed in.

Good luck. Let us know. How it turns out.

Sent from my iPad using NAMotoring
 
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2014 | 06:21 AM
  #5  
ECSTuning's Avatar
ECSTuning
Platinum Sponsor
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 36,771
Likes: 2,555
From: Wadsworth, Ohio
Check the strut mount ( strut tower ) and the lower control A arm for damage. On the rear check the control arms ( two per side) . The rear trailing arm should be ok as its pretty heavy duty. A Collision center and alignment machine will tell you how far you are off and if it can de dialed in, if it cant come into alignment , you know you have other items damaged.
 
__________________

MINI Guru/ MINI Owner Since 2004 | NEW Lifetime Part Replacement | Local Pickup
Milltek | Genuine MINI | Forge Motorsport | NM Engineering | ECS Performance | M7 Speed
Customer Service Hours: 8am-8pm EST|Sales Team Hours: 8am-11pm | SAT 10am-7pm 800.924.5172
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2014 | 07:13 AM
  #6  
Capt_bj's Avatar
Capt_bj
OVERDRIVE
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 7,037
Likes: 283
From: Melbourne, FL
a hit strong enuf to bend the tie rod has a very good chance of taking out the wheel bearing ... my experience on 2 different occasions. And if the bearing is gone that really means new hub.


Was your impact to the side of the wheel rather then head on? That's how mine were ... wife did it once in snow and I did it trying to avoid something in the road . . . side impact is way worse . . . last incident was over $3k by the time everything was right.


tie rods, strut, steering knuckle, control arm, both hubs, front rotor, 2 wheels and tires (cosmetic but I replaced 'em)
 
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2014 | 07:01 PM
  #7  
Spoooolin's Avatar
Spoooolin
1st Gear
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
From: Houston Texas
Who ever does the alignment after you install the tie rod, will be able to tell you whats going on based on the readings from the alignment machine. Till then...we can all guess what we want, but it could be nothing.

Depending on the car and how hard the hit was, the Rack may need to be calibrated (assuming its EPS)
 
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2014 | 05:09 PM
  #8  
climbingaggie03's Avatar
climbingaggie03
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
I did slide into a curb sideways going probably 5-10 mph (it was snowy in my neighborhood) so I'll keep an eye and ear on the ball joints and wheel bearings. I've had a wheel bearing go before so I know what that sounds like.

Since it aligned ok, and drives normal, I think I may be out of the woods. The only thing that might still be going on is I feel like the steering wheel is a little off center. Like to go straight, I have to have the wheel slightly to the left. I bent the right tie rod. At first I was thinking that maybe the tech didn't have the wheel straight when he aligned it? but I've never heard of calibrating the rack, it's the power assisted rack and pinion steering on the R53 so I'm not sure if that applies.
 
Reply
Old Dec 1, 2014 | 11:15 PM
  #9  
climbingaggie03's Avatar
climbingaggie03
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Anyone know if it's possible the steering wheel wasn't straight for the alignment? I've driven the car for a week or two now and it still just doesn't feel quite right. I definitely have to hold the wheel slightly to the left for it to go straight, and sometimes it feels like it's wandering around a little bit, but I'm not sure if I'm unconsciously moving my hands back to where the steering wheel is straight or not.

I've driven an R53 for 11 years and over 150,000 miles (this is my second one) so I have a pretty good feel for what it should feel like, but maybe I'm being too sensitive?
 
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2014 | 05:54 AM
  #10  
v10climber's Avatar
v10climber
6th Gear
10 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,394
Likes: 19
From: FL
Originally Posted by climbingaggie03
Anyone know if it's possible the steering wheel wasn't straight for the alignment?
Yes it's possible the steering wheel wasn't completely straight when the tech did the alignment. Take it back.
 
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2014 | 06:11 AM
  #11  
Zillon's Avatar
Zillon
5th Gear
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 851
Likes: 58
From: NJ
Originally Posted by v10climber
Yes it's possible the steering wheel wasn't completely straight when the tech did the alignment. Take it back.
This.

Tech probably lined it up on the machine, and got it into spec without locking the steering wheel into place. Amateur.
 
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2014 | 07:49 AM
  #12  
cristo's Avatar
cristo
Alliance Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 4,101
Likes: 232
From: York, Pennsylvania
If the alignment is good and the steering wheel isn't completely straight,
then you just need to adjust one tie rod a little longer and the other shorter
by the same amount to end up with a straight wheel. Make sure the toe is
still correct after doing this, as you might change one side a little more than
the other in the process.
If it's more than a little, than something else might be bent.
 
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2014 | 06:53 AM
  #13  
ECSTuning's Avatar
ECSTuning
Platinum Sponsor
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 36,771
Likes: 2,555
From: Wadsworth, Ohio
The alignment job has to lock the wheel in place. They Lift up the hood and mount the reflector mirrors in place. Also , you have to make sure the steering wheel has not been removed in the past and is lined up straight from the beginning on the original steering spindle and that line marker . If someone removed the steering wheel or replaced it and of a couple teeth its hard to align perfect. Also have you had the steering column spindle replaced lastly ?
 
__________________

MINI Guru/ MINI Owner Since 2004 | NEW Lifetime Part Replacement | Local Pickup
Milltek | Genuine MINI | Forge Motorsport | NM Engineering | ECS Performance | M7 Speed
Customer Service Hours: 8am-8pm EST|Sales Team Hours: 8am-11pm | SAT 10am-7pm 800.924.5172
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Fordgt4
R56 :: Hatch Talk (2007+)
10
Oct 10, 2015 10:42 AM
SneedSpeed
Vendor Announcements
0
Oct 1, 2015 03:01 AM
micromini234
Drivetrain (Cooper S)
5
Sep 30, 2015 07:36 PM
Emnotek
Vendor Announcements
0
Sep 29, 2015 07:37 AM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:49 PM.