Drivetrain BOV specific fantastic sound
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BOV specific fantastic sound
I want to install a BOV on my R56 that will sound like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn-AoxKQB90
listen to 0.23-0.30 or 01.00-01.07
in my point of view i believe thats the greatest sound produced by a BOV and sounds like WRCs and from what i know so far there isn't such a BOV for the R56, but might there be something im missing or a different way to produce that specific sound?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn-AoxKQB90
listen to 0.23-0.30 or 01.00-01.07
in my point of view i believe thats the greatest sound produced by a BOV and sounds like WRCs and from what i know so far there isn't such a BOV for the R56, but might there be something im missing or a different way to produce that specific sound?
Last edited by genik; Mar 5, 2012 at 01:25 AM.
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Seems like a lot of money to pay for a sound but here you go-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoPDh...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WYAx...eature=related
http://www.forgemotorsport.com/conte...oduct=FMDVR56A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoPDh...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WYAx...eature=related
http://www.forgemotorsport.com/conte...oduct=FMDVR56A
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wowsers THANK you Creeve 
awesome sounds and it seems like this might be the answer to the problem i have with lack of overboost thats not constant, so i guess if its a BOV issue and i have to change it then i might as well get a BOV with the sound that i love
i guess there are 2 questions to ask now
1. are there are any other brands that produce this sound
2. will this type of BOV create any issues with check engine light? cause there needs to be an answer to the question "what was done to the factory (computer controlled) BOV and is there a check engine light on now using this new BOV?
awesome sounds and it seems like this might be the answer to the problem i have with lack of overboost thats not constant, so i guess if its a BOV issue and i have to change it then i might as well get a BOV with the sound that i love
i guess there are 2 questions to ask now
1. are there are any other brands that produce this sound
2. will this type of BOV create any issues with check engine light? cause there needs to be an answer to the question "what was done to the factory (computer controlled) BOV and is there a check engine light on now using this new BOV?
Last edited by genik; Mar 5, 2012 at 01:08 PM.
Which one? The sandwich adapter or the true diverter valve replacement? I have the diverter valve and replaced it after getting an ECU tune. A small but noticeable improvement. Won't make fast 'n' furious whoosh sounds though.
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i dont know which of the two makes that great "frrrrr" sound every time the pedal is released!
here is that frrrrrr sound im referring to
does yours sound like this?
here is that frrrrrr sound im referring to
does yours sound like this?
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That's the sandwich adapter BOV they sell. You have a really good chance of getting a check engine light with that one and all for the need to have more fast 'n' furious sounds. With the CEL usually comes power limitation from the engine. I don't think it's worth it. I've experienced the problem first hand so perhaps you'll learn from history.
Here's a good description of the issue I posted in my local MINI garage:
Steer Clear of Vent to Atmosphere (VTA) Blow-off Valves (BOVs)
If you’ve got an R56 S, jusy say no to VTA BOVs. I had an HKS blow-off valve for almost a year and after a couple days on the track I knew it had to go. The trouble is that the engine’s ECU is already controlling a stock diverter valve on the turbo and adding another mechanical valve downstream only confuses the ECU. A check engine light will occur when the VTA BOV vents and the stock diverter valve is still closed. I believe the ECU has logic that checks both intake manifold pressure and the mass air flow and if there is a disagreement in this logic, a check engine light will populate. The real bonus is that the engine goes into a torque derate because it thinks there is a boost leak. So in “English,” the engine acts like there is no turbo!! My experience with the HKS SSQV was that when I would slightly lift the throttle at times, the blow-off valve would vent when it really didn’t have to, the stock diverter valve remained closed, the check engine light for a boost leak would populate, and then when it came time to go wide open throttle there was no torque! Lucky for me, I was able to sell the HKS SSQV kit on eBay to some ricer lover with very minimal financial loss.
Here's a good description of the issue I posted in my local MINI garage:
Steer Clear of Vent to Atmosphere (VTA) Blow-off Valves (BOVs)
If you’ve got an R56 S, jusy say no to VTA BOVs. I had an HKS blow-off valve for almost a year and after a couple days on the track I knew it had to go. The trouble is that the engine’s ECU is already controlling a stock diverter valve on the turbo and adding another mechanical valve downstream only confuses the ECU. A check engine light will occur when the VTA BOV vents and the stock diverter valve is still closed. I believe the ECU has logic that checks both intake manifold pressure and the mass air flow and if there is a disagreement in this logic, a check engine light will populate. The real bonus is that the engine goes into a torque derate because it thinks there is a boost leak. So in “English,” the engine acts like there is no turbo!! My experience with the HKS SSQV was that when I would slightly lift the throttle at times, the blow-off valve would vent when it really didn’t have to, the stock diverter valve remained closed, the check engine light for a boost leak would populate, and then when it came time to go wide open throttle there was no torque! Lucky for me, I was able to sell the HKS SSQV kit on eBay to some ricer lover with very minimal financial loss.
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Thanx but this bov is built for the R56, so i believe there will be no issue with the check engine light etc.
http://www.forgemotorsport.com/conte...product=FM207V
http://www.forgemotorsport.com/conte...roduct=FMDVMCS
the HKS is a different brand so who knows, it just might not be the right thing to add to your mini... what do you say?
http://www.forgemotorsport.com/conte...product=FM207V
http://www.forgemotorsport.com/conte...roduct=FMDVMCS
the HKS is a different brand so who knows, it just might not be the right thing to add to your mini... what do you say?
That's the sandwich adapter BOV they sell. You have a really good chance of getting a check engine light with that one and all for the need to have more fast 'n' furious sounds. With the CEL usually comes power limitation from the engine. I don't think it's worth it. I've experienced the problem first hand so perhaps you'll learn from history.
Here's a good description of the issue I posted in my local MINI garage:
Steer Clear of Vent to Atmosphere (VTA) Blow-off Valves (BOVs)
If you’ve got an R56 S, jusy say no to VTA BOVs. I had an HKS blow-off valve for almost a year and after a couple days on the track I knew it had to go. The trouble is that the engine’s ECU is already controlling a stock diverter valve on the turbo and adding another mechanical valve downstream only confuses the ECU. A check engine light will occur when the VTA BOV vents and the stock diverter valve is still closed. I believe the ECU has logic that checks both intake manifold pressure and the mass air flow and if there is a disagreement in this logic, a check engine light will populate. The real bonus is that the engine goes into a torque derate because it thinks there is a boost leak. So in “English,” the engine acts like there is no turbo!! My experience with the HKS SSQV was that when I would slightly lift the throttle at times, the blow-off valve would vent when it really didn’t have to, the stock diverter valve remained closed, the check engine light for a boost leak would populate, and then when it came time to go wide open throttle there was no torque! Lucky for me, I was able to sell the HKS SSQV kit on eBay to some ricer lover with very minimal financial loss.
Here's a good description of the issue I posted in my local MINI garage:
Steer Clear of Vent to Atmosphere (VTA) Blow-off Valves (BOVs)
If you’ve got an R56 S, jusy say no to VTA BOVs. I had an HKS blow-off valve for almost a year and after a couple days on the track I knew it had to go. The trouble is that the engine’s ECU is already controlling a stock diverter valve on the turbo and adding another mechanical valve downstream only confuses the ECU. A check engine light will occur when the VTA BOV vents and the stock diverter valve is still closed. I believe the ECU has logic that checks both intake manifold pressure and the mass air flow and if there is a disagreement in this logic, a check engine light will populate. The real bonus is that the engine goes into a torque derate because it thinks there is a boost leak. So in “English,” the engine acts like there is no turbo!! My experience with the HKS SSQV was that when I would slightly lift the throttle at times, the blow-off valve would vent when it really didn’t have to, the stock diverter valve remained closed, the check engine light for a boost leak would populate, and then when it came time to go wide open throttle there was no torque! Lucky for me, I was able to sell the HKS SSQV kit on eBay to some ricer lover with very minimal financial loss.
The silly adapter is the one that makes a lot of noise, and the diverter valve kit only improves performance, and does not make more noise like you want it to.
It doesn't matter if you have a HKS SSQV, Turbo Smart, Greddy...etc. They are all vent to atmosphere blow off valves. Use 'em on the N14 engine and you will eventually have problems due to the ECU getting p1ssed.
It doesn't matter if you have a HKS SSQV, Turbo Smart, Greddy...etc. They are all vent to atmosphere blow off valves. Use 'em on the N14 engine and you will eventually have problems due to the ECU getting p1ssed.
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2. my issue is not how loud the noise is, but if its the noise i want, that "ffrrrrrr" when pedal is lifted! will i get this sound with the adapter installed?
3. why have problems, the forge bov is specifically designed to work on the R56, i cant believe that they would produce a product that creates problems to the ECU, what do you think?
1. It's silly because your car will not operate correctly. It's not worth it in my opinion to have more vent to atmosphere blow off valve sounds when lifting throttle if the car isn't going to act correctly. If you really want more of this noise get an open cold air intake. The factory diverter valve sound will sound louder.
2. Yes, when you lift the throttle it will make the "psshhht" sound. If you want to deal with the potential issues with CELs I described that's entirely your decision.
3. It mechanically fits on the N14 engine's turbo. Does it work 100% perfectly with the ECU? NO! Forge later developed and released the upgraded diverter valve because of issues with people complaining about CELs. The upgraded diverter valve system they sell works perfectly.
There are plenty of MINI products out there that were brought to the market and are absolute crap. Things that come to mind are...
-UNIchip piggy back ECU.
-Riss Racing exhausts
-Alta turboback exhaust
-Alta silicone boost tubes
If you want to get some honest advice, give TJ @ Detroit Tuned (www.detroittuned.com) a call. They've been into the MINI business since 2004 and know what works. Yes, i've been through a lot with my R56 and am happy to give advice, but instead of trudging through the forums it helps to just give them a buzz and they'll actually discuss what you want to do with your MINI and what is known to work. There are hundreds of products out there for the MINI, but only a handful of them are proven to work reliably.
2. Yes, when you lift the throttle it will make the "psshhht" sound. If you want to deal with the potential issues with CELs I described that's entirely your decision.
3. It mechanically fits on the N14 engine's turbo. Does it work 100% perfectly with the ECU? NO! Forge later developed and released the upgraded diverter valve because of issues with people complaining about CELs. The upgraded diverter valve system they sell works perfectly.
There are plenty of MINI products out there that were brought to the market and are absolute crap. Things that come to mind are...
-UNIchip piggy back ECU.
-Riss Racing exhausts
-Alta turboback exhaust
-Alta silicone boost tubes
If you want to get some honest advice, give TJ @ Detroit Tuned (www.detroittuned.com) a call. They've been into the MINI business since 2004 and know what works. Yes, i've been through a lot with my R56 and am happy to give advice, but instead of trudging through the forums it helps to just give them a buzz and they'll actually discuss what you want to do with your MINI and what is known to work. There are hundreds of products out there for the MINI, but only a handful of them are proven to work reliably.
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1. It's silly because your car will not operate correctly. It's not worth it in my opinion to have more vent to atmosphere blow off valve sounds when lifting throttle if the car isn't going to act correctly. If you really want more of this noise get an open cold air intake. The factory diverter valve sound will sound louder.
- an open cold intake like which? if its like Altas CAI, its still not gonna get any cold air cause its located in the engine area, i need something from the scoop
- in what way it will not act correctly, cause guys on youtube that have it, have not mentioned to me any issues, nor CheckEngineLights to come up!
whats that upgraded diverter vave system? is it this? http://www.forgemotorsport.com/conte...product=FM207V
If you want to get some honest advice, give TJ @ Detroit Tuned (www.detroittuned.com) a call. They've been into the MINI business since 2004 and know what works.
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Hey genik, not sure if you ever got your answer but that "frrrrr" purring sound is actually from a RMW tune. I've read some threads saying that its a map that Jan lifted from the Mini Challenge race car. It's supposed to let off the boost slower or something giving that flutter sound. Just info I read on the forums here, I could be wrong.
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I want to install a BOV on my R56 that will sound like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn-AoxKQB90
listen to 0.23-0.30 or 01.00-01.07
in my point of view i believe thats the greatest sound produced by a BOV and sounds like WRCs and from what i know so far there isn't such a BOV for the R56, but might there be something im missing or a different way to produce that specific sound?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn-AoxKQB90
listen to 0.23-0.30 or 01.00-01.07
in my point of view i believe thats the greatest sound produced by a BOV and sounds like WRCs and from what i know so far there isn't such a BOV for the R56, but might there be something im missing or a different way to produce that specific sound?
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I'm with you on the sound, love it on any car. The VTA adapter seems to be a bad choice, and the full bov system apparently doesn't put off much sound. I installed a DDMWorks street CAI and it allows not only the bov sound to be loud like in the video (almost identical sound) but it also allows the spooling up sound of the turbo to be heard both outside the car and in the cabin as well. DDMWorks intake is only about $179 and will also give you a small hp gain. Hope that helps!
There is no reason to produce a video of something that you can barely hear. The Forge BOV (diverter system) produces a very slight wisp sound that you have to listen for. Its benefits far outweigh the sound. If you want noise, buy an aftermarket intake. If you want performance enhancement, buy the Forge BOV system. It is as simple as that.
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Yes, if you want sound I suggest the Defenders of Speed cold air intake. I received it for Christmas and it is sweet. I could barely hear the blow off valve before now it is super loud and since the intake is plugged right into the bulkhead you hear the turbo spooling much clearer as well. It even does that "frrrr" flutter if you don't get on it too hard.
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Well the blow off valve makes the "whoosh" sound 99% of the time. The only way to get it to flutter is if I by tapping really slightly on the gas when I'm at a stop and not letting the turbo spool all the way and it flutters. Never happens when I'm actually driving in gear.