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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 07:09 PM
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Cooper S in the stable - review so far

So after hanging out here for a while and researching a bit I picked up an 06 Mini Cooper S, 6-spd with 23k miles on the clock. It was a private sale but has CPO till Nov 2011.




Likes:

- awesome handling. turns like a go-kart, love the steering feel and response. I never thought fwd would handle this well.
- decent power for a car this size
- pano moonroof - brings so much light into the car
- visibility is excellent
- i like how bmw kept the amber lighting from the regular bmw line.
- attention to detail like how the windows adjust when you shut the doors.
- general ergonomic layout

Dislikes (mostly minor):

- RFTs!! terribly harsh and stiff on anything but perfect pavement
- no auto-up on windows, nothing major but i would have thought a new car would have that feature
- hard to see top of the tach when i have my seat adjusted correctly.
- high/low beam selection is counter-intuitive imo. or perhaps i have been driving bmws too long.
- also the stalks for beams/wipers appear could have been made more solid, i'm afraid of breaking the turn signal stalk

all i all, i am enjoying my new mini ownership. looking forward to learning more and enjoying the ride
 
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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 08:44 PM
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Looks good, from your stable, this MINI will not be stock very long. Enjoy and drive lots of fun miles.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 08:49 PM
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First of all, Congratulations on the new purchase!

Haha, funny you mention the high/low beam being counter intuitive, I used to have a '97 328iS and when I moved to the MINI, I was so thrown off! Three years in, I still have difficulty remembering which way to flip the switch! (in my defense, I barely ever use my high beams)

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Enjoy your R53
 
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You can loosen the ride a little to make it a little more smoother..

But the no auto up windows drives me nuts! especially trying to put both windows up with one hand while driving is impossible. I use my pointer finger and pinky to get to both of the toggles
 
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by kishg
- hard to see top of the tach when i have my seat adjusted correctly.
You can adjust the steering column tilt and resolve this one.

BTW, another example of BMW's thoughtful attention to detail is the self-dumping glove box.

Congrats and enjoy your R53!
 
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 01:26 AM
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congrats on the MINI
 
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 04:09 AM
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Welcome! Gr8 choice!
 
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 911Fan
You can adjust the steering column tilt and resolve this one.

BTW, another example of BMW's thoughtful attention to detail is the self-dumping glove box.

Congrats and enjoy your R53!
isn't it attached to the column? i like to adjust the seating so my arms are close to 90 degrees when i hold the wheel at 9 and 3. this way i almost never have to shuffle steer.

oh one more thing is that heel and toe is easy due to the close proximity of the brake/gas and even the height is nicely adjusted but i do find it difficult to left foot brake when i want to turn the car in slightly.
 
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by kishg
So after hanging out here for a while and researching a bit I picked up an 06 Mini Cooper S, 6-spd with 23k miles on the clock. It was a private sale but has CPO till Nov 2011.


- no auto-up on windows, nothing major but i would have thought a new car would have that feature


all i all, i am enjoying my new mini ownership. looking forward to learning more and enjoying the ride
My '09 window goes up with one touch of the switch, but I'm not sure what year that started. Here's a link to an auto-up window circuit that reviewed well. It's an article from back in 2006, but may still be available. http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/01/...cuit-reviewed/

MiniMania online catalog: http://new.minimania.com/web/Item/NMA5503/InvDetail.cfm
 
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by moltenhalo
My '09 window goes up with one touch of the switch, but I'm not sure what year that started. Here's a link to an auto-up window circuit that reviewed well. It's an article from back in 2006, but may still be available. http://www.motoringfile.com/2006/01/...cuit-reviewed/

MiniMania online catalog: http://new.minimania.com/web/Item/NMA5503/InvDetail.cfm
yeah, i'm sure it can be retro-fitted. It doesn't bother me that much. Maybe my wife I'm used to e30s that don't have it either.

Is there a way to retrofit homelink? It's annoying to have a garage remote
 
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 10:11 AM
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isn't it attached to the column? i like to adjust the seating so my arms are close to 90 degrees when i hold the wheel at 9 and 3. this way i almost never have to shuffle steer.
The column tilt is adjustable -- RTFM.

Shuffle steering is actually preferred to hand over hand for better car control. If your arms are close to 90 degrees, you're sitting too far back!

You might want to try this seat adjustment method suggested in some performance driving classes: First, adjust the seat position fore/aft until your right knee is slightly bent while completely depressing the clutch with your right foot. Then adjust the rake (ie, angle of the seat back) so that your wrists just reach the top of the steering wheel with arms fully extended while your shoulders are flat against the seat back. You'll be closer to the wheel than you're probably used to but you'll have a lot more control!
 
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 10:14 AM
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Congratulations on your purchase. Good low mileage, too.

I consider the suspension of the MINI comparable to that of Z28 Camaros and SS Monte Carlos. My old '02 MCS had a KW suspension, plus 205/40/17 tires, and I felt every little road ripple. But that's kinda what I would expect with a car like that. It was later swapped out for the Koni Stage 3 Kit. I did not like not having a fully adjustable setup (i.e. spring height), but it definitely rode smoother.

Later models, such as the '06, have a softer suspension setup (how much I'm not sure compared to an '02). I have the stock suspension on my '06 MCS now, and it does ride smoother. Plus I have 205/45/17s, and the little extra sidewall makes a big difference. Of course, I do want to either swap out the springs or get a Megan coilover setup. And that will make it ride rougher once again.

I do agree with the turn signal arms. But even the one that is in my '86 Monte Carlo SS does not feel the most solid.
 
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Originally Posted by kishg
yeah, i'm sure it can be retro-fitted. It doesn't bother me that much. Maybe my wife I'm used to e30s that don't have it either.

Is there a way to retrofit homelink? It's annoying to have a garage remote

Not sure about homelink retrofit, but I've been reading up on an option called "flash to pass" (www.f2ptechnologies.com) which taps into your high beam wiring with a transmitter that triggers a signal to a receiver in your garage (about $80 for a set) when you falsh the high beam switch in the car. My brother has installed it on several of his cars and he's really satisfied with how it works...
 
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 911Fan
The column tilt is adjustable -- RTFM.

Shuffle steering is actually preferred to hand over hand for better car control. If your arms are close to 90 degrees, you're sitting too far back!

You might want to try this seat adjustment method suggested in some performance driving classes: First, adjust the seat position fore/aft until your right knee is slightly bent while completely depressing the clutch with your right foot. Then adjust the rake (ie, angle of the seat back) so that your wrists just reach the top of the steering wheel with arms fully extended while your shoulders are flat against the seat back. You'll be closer to the wheel than you're probably used to but you'll have a lot more control!
yeah i am involved in performance driving, so i know how to adjust the seating i don't prefer shuffle steer or hand over hand. and am pretty close to the wheel hence why i can't see the top of the tach

i'll rtfm on the column adjust though. pretty sure when i adjusted it, the tach moved with it.
 
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by winnie mini
Not sure about homelink retrofit, but I've been reading up on an option called "flash to pass" (www.f2ptechnologies.com) which taps into your high beam wiring with a transmitter that triggers a signal to a receiver in your garage (about $80 for a set) when you falsh the high beam switch in the car. My brother has installed it on several of his cars and he's really satisfied with how it works...
sounds cool.. will look into it. thanks!
 
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JumpingJackFlash
Congratulations on your purchase. Good low mileage, too.

I consider the suspension of the MINI comparable to that of Z28 Camaros and SS Monte Carlos. My old '02 MCS had a KW suspension, plus 205/40/17 tires, and I felt every little road ripple. But that's kinda what I would expect with a car like that. It was later swapped out for the Koni Stage 3 Kit. I did not like not having a fully adjustable setup (i.e. spring height), but it definitely rode smoother.

Later models, such as the '06, have a softer suspension setup (how much I'm not sure compared to an '02). I have the stock suspension on my '06 MCS now, and it does ride smoother. Plus I have 205/45/17s, and the little extra sidewall makes a big difference. Of course, I do want to either swap out the springs or get a Megan coilover setup. And that will make it ride rougher once again.

I do agree with the turn signal arms. But even the one that is in my '86 Monte Carlo SS does not feel the most solid.
I think getting rid of the RFTs will make a huge difference. I am going to get some Direzza Star Specs on a set of 16" wheels. I think that will ride better on the pothole ridden excuses for highways we have around here.
 
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by kishg
So after hanging out here for a while and researching a bit I picked up an 06 Mini Cooper S, 6-spd with 23k miles on the clock. It was a private sale but has CPO till Nov 2011.
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- no auto-up on windows, nothing major but i would have thought a new car would have that feature
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Congratulations on the new car and welcome to the world of motoring. On the window thing, the new ones do have one touch up and down.
 

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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 01:28 PM
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yeah i am involved in performance driving, so i know how to adjust the seating i don't prefer shuffle steer or hand over hand. and am pretty close to the wheel hence why i can't see the top of the tach

i'll rtfm on the column adjust though. pretty sure when i adjusted it, the tach moved with it.
Re your performance driving involvement... I should have known since "shuffle steer" is not commonly used terminology!

Re the tach visibility... looks like you're just too tall...
 
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 01:45 PM
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Congratulations on the new car and welcome to the world of motoring. On the window thing, the new ones do have one touch up and down.
haha.. i get your point.. hey, i'm used to e30s, an 06 is NEW to me
 
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cool! i came from a miata and a S2000, so to me the oem MINI suspension feels like a boat.

any plans for mods? i recently did the 15% pulley and it really makes the car feel great. the difference is amazing and by comparison the stock MCS feels anemic.
 
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mrjasey
cool! i came from a miata and a S2000, so to me the oem MINI suspension feels like a boat.

any plans for mods? i recently did the 15% pulley and it really makes the car feel great. the difference is amazing and by comparison the stock MCS feels anemic.
want to get rid of the rfts first and then see how the handling can be improved. thinking about the m7 strut tower reinforcers and a rear sway from tsx. might do a pulley and cai next. kind of busy finishing off a spec e30 race car so that's where the time and money is going right now
 
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I'm a really huge fan of Hankook tires. My old '02 MCS had Ventus V4 es tires twice, and I now have V12 Evo 110Ks on my '06 MCS now. Great grip and really quiet, even after wearing down (as most tires get noisier as they age).
 
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You should also look into getting lighter rims. They make a huge difference in a low HP car like a Mini.
 
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Old Mar 18, 2010 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 911Fan
You should also look into getting lighter rims. They make a huge difference in a low HP car like a Mini.
good point.. these 17"ers are pretty heavy i bet. i'm not a fan of huge wheels. i think 16" will suit this car better and be lighter and cheaper rubber too..
 
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