I have been trying to decide if I want to get an aftermarket intake for my 2008 cooper S and came across this http://www.knfilters.com/search/prod...rod=69-2004TTK It says it was just released on June 29th, anyone get one yet?

 

Very interesting... looks much better than the Apollo version that has been on thier website for a while...

$279 through K&N online is pretty rediculous though considering Alta's systems is $199 now...

 

Agreed interesting. A few things to note. It has a new turbo inlet tube but it looks small in diameter. So the price is a little bit more because you are getting a new turbo inlet tube with it as well. I have the alta intake and going to order there turbo inlet tube soon as well.

If anyone actually orders this let us know what you think. I have always felt K&N adds a few hp to what the claim the intake will actually get. And this isn't on MINI's I'm talking about other cars and trucks.

 

wow, I like that a lot. I may have to pick one up...

 

With all these open filter intakes (Alta, DDM, M7, K&N), it seems like you will be sucking hot air from the engine compartment instead of cooler outside air.

 

Is it really a bad design?

I keep hearing of complaints about the open filters and hot air, but since this one (and the DDM) leaves the bottom half of the stock intake intact, isn't cold air still being funneled from the front of the car back to the filter? Also, when the hood is closed, isn't the K&N design still being boxed off from the heat of the engine? Is it just me, but doesn't it closely mimic the design of the JCW intake system with the cone filter inside the air box?

 

If you look at the engine compartment photo it looks like the sides of the box extend up to meet the hood, or close to it. That said the heat issue is what has stopped me from buying an aftermarket intake

 

Are there any intakes out there that don't relocate the MAF sensor???

 

Neither of the DDM Works intakes relocate the MAF.

 

I think there have been tests that have shown no power loss or gain over using a cold air intake.

The air is being compressed either way, so the temp difference on a FI car isn't as detrimental to performance as it is on a naturally aspirated engine.

 

this filter is ok for the Euro guys

but I wouldn't reccomend oil based filters on the US spec cars.. unless u want to make ur MAF a consumable as well

 

You have to be extremly careful not to over oil the K&N filter. Most people way over oil these type of filters.

I have been useing oiled filters on my Porsche and never had a problem with the MAF like other have had.

 

so.. would a K&N filter get you halfway to the performance of a JCW Stage 1 for 1/5th the price?

 

I think this could do some good, it looks like a slick package and like willsblackmini08 said, K&N usually always produces a gain.
Iv been waiting for k&n to come out with something for the R56!
I want one....

 

Actually the way I said I didn't say it would give cans. I think k&n claims more than it really gives but who knows. I went with Alta and I'm very happy with it.

 

Well, they have dyno tests to prove it, and K&N is a big company. I'd think they'd be asking for lots of trouble if they had faked them. I may get one...

 

I'm not so sure about either of your points kind sir...

Whether CAI makes a difference or not is totally dependant on the car it's fitted on. It's got to do with ECU aggressiveness and to some extent location. For example it made no difference (other than sound) in my Elise, but the difference was definitely noticeable in a Mustang GT. ECU in the Lotus "learned out" any initial benefits of the CAI. Mustang's ECU on the other hand was more or less oblivious, it just wanted more/better fuel.

As far as cold/hot air in FI vs NA engines - Forced Induction engines LOVE cold air for the exact reason you've mentioned - air gets compressed. Hot air requires a lot more compression/work (molecules are wider apart) - thus more RPMs from the turbo, something that you don't get for free.

There's a reason why turbo cars are noticeably faster in the winter

 

well said

 

If the air temp didn't matter, we wouldn't need intercoolers.

I had a supercharged and intercooled Mustang GT. Cool air definitely makes a difference. I ran much faster 1/4 miles (nearly a full 0.5 second) in the early spring and fall vs summer in Washington State (the dry side).

 

yep my old R53 with an alta intake loved the cold morning air!
So does my R56 when I think about it...

 

To add to this great post, DSM guys that simply mount their intake filters in their fender well where air has a straight shot and is cooler, are picking up 2mph in the 1/4 mile. That is a huge gain for simply changing filter placement.

 

has anyone done this yet?

 

an entire page about MAF sensors-they know it's a point of concern but i think i trust them. any my wife's company sells them wholesale :-)
http://www.knfilters.com/MAF/massair.htm


http://www.knfilters.com/news/news.aspx?ID=2098

 

Save your money and get the DDM intake with the K&N filter for $190, I don't believe the 11hp gain K&N claims, even with a dyno sheet.

 

I can get the K&N for less than that though through work...so i'll be trying it as my first intake on the car...But yeah I would never buy the K&N for the crazy 280 it seems to cost most places...I can get it for 100 cheaper though so I figure it's worth a shot.