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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 08:04 PM
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Update on ECU tuning?

It's been a while since I scoured this section. I did a little searching and I see it seems that some people are working on a tune for the R56.

Has any results been solidified? Do we actually have answers. All the threads I read were inconclusive and I didn't see any actual results.

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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by orangecrush
It's been a while since I scoured this section. I did a little searching and I see it seems that some people are working on a tune for the R56.

Has any results been solidified? Do we actually have answers. All the threads I read were inconclusive and I didn't see any actual results.

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Mark
That's a no....and another no.
 
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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 11:42 PM
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has anyone had any "unofficial" conversations with Alta or have any other leads? I'm getting anxious!
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:27 AM
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Alta keeps saying they are making huge strides but don't give any real anwers to the
Questions they're asked. All they're stalling and aversion to give even a estimated
Release date is just discrediting them...
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:55 AM
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Great Another thread about Tunes I can't take it anymore some one needs to step up to the plate and release something quick if not I'm done buying performance parts because it almost use less without a tune.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 10:56 AM
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release date is 6 month last time i called them
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 11:16 AM
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Great Another thread about Tunes I can't take it anymore some one needs to step up to the plate and release something quick if not I'm done buying performance parts because it almost use less without a tune.
That is where I landed about 6 months ago.

So I pulled the parts off, put the Mini up for sale.

Been self tuning using opensource tools and a Tactrix cable.

I still watch the Mini world, but it is years away from the rest of the world.

I can use the tactrix to read, and talk to the Mini ECU, but there is no reliable tables for it so no tuning...
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 11:40 AM
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Stuff is in the works. A tuner near me has been waiting for his Genius II to show up for almost a month now.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 03:32 PM
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 03:48 PM
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 04:51 PM
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I'm going to give it till the summer if no tuning solution is available i'm going to seriously think about selling the mini and buying a GTI.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigjoeski08
I'm going to give it till the summer if no tuning solution is available i'm going to seriously think about selling the mini and buying a GTI.
Eh? Theres Evotech, GIAC, and UNICHIP? What are you looking for?
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 06:26 PM
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im considering trading mine in too.. 09 wrx looks great
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by richi0207
Eh? Theres Evotech, GIAC, and UNICHIP? What are you looking for?

What's the pros/cons on the evotech and GIAC? Does anyone know what differences will possilbly be with the one ALTA is working on?
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 07:35 PM
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I feel everyone's pain. I was waaay too impatient so last year I installed the JCW Stage I kit.

It was a severe improvement over the stock S but if someone came out with a better setup, I'd gladly write over the JCW ECU programming.

Guess I'm stuck for now with what I've got. To be honest, this is ridiculous, the car is now in it's 3rd model year and no one has come out with any tuning? WTF, in another year, they'll have a 3rd generation and then no one will want to mess with the 2nd generation model.



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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:00 PM
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Once again, GIAC, EVOTECH, and UNICHIP offer tuning for r56s.... A tune is a tune. What kind of tune would you be looking for?
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:03 PM
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A tune is a tune, regardless of what company, you would need to get a dyno-tune to get the best numbers you can get from a tune. After I get my downpipe from Exhaust Depot, I will be dropping by a unichip dealer who will be dyno-tuning my car, getting the most power I can get within the reliability range.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by richi0207
A tune is a tune, regardless of what company, you would need to get a dyno-tune to get the best numbers you can get from a tune. After I get my downpipe from Exhaust Depot, I will be dropping by a unichip dealer who will be dyno-tuning my car, getting the most power I can get within the reliability range.

so again, what do you think that alta is working on that everyone is so hung up on? and why aren't they into the evo tech or giac etc. ???
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by richi0207
A tune is a tune, regardless of what company, you would need to get a dyno-tune to get the best numbers you can get from a tune. After I get my downpipe from Exhaust Depot, I will be dropping by a unichip dealer who will be dyno-tuning my car, getting the most power I can get within the reliability range.
Though I agree that a dyno tune is better than any tune in a can (which are usually on the safe side and at least 20-30HP shy of what a dyno can do) I think that tuning via a laptop is even better since it gives real world usage.

And though you can change fuel tables, timing, etc on a dyno, the majority of tuning is done when the car is in 3rd for 4th gear at WOT which is what most race cars need.

That's why many cars that are dyno tuned have idleing or driveability issues. Tuning via a laptop running around town IMO is even more reliable, especially for a street car. It accounts for idle, driving at 2500 rpms, sudden braking, holeshots, etc, etc.

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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:22 PM
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I have not heard of Alta working on a tune, do you have any links because this would be new to me. If they are working on a tune, I am sure it is so they can have their own tune which would be higher than others on the market from more a precise and accurate tune. And to live up to the Alta name .
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by orangecrush
Though I agree that a dyno tune is better than any tune in a can (which are usually on the safe side and at least 20-30HP shy of what a dyno can do) I think that tuning via a laptop is even better since it gives real world usage.

And though you can change fuel tables, timing, etc on a dyno, the majority of tuning is done when the car is in 3rd for 4th gear at WOT which is what most race cars need.

That's why many cars that are dyno tuned have idleing or driveability issues. Tuning via a laptop running around town IMO is even more reliable, especially for a street car. It accounts for idle, driving at 2500 rpms, sudden braking, holeshots, etc, etc.

Mark
Very nicely done. And also forgot to add WOT tuning and part throttle tuning. My brother's truck spent hours getting dyno-tuned. It takes along time and $$ but puts the car's potential AT THIS PEAK software-wise. When I do get dyno-tuned.

I will be posting the results to show everyone that any pnp or flash can put out some serious gains. I just never said I was going to get dyno-tuned because there were so many threads started and ended up in the fire.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:41 PM
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giac and evotech numbers are unimpressive for the cost and the unichip is unreliable.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:47 PM
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giac and evotech numbers are unimpressive for the cost and the unichip is unreliable.
You cannot expect a perfect tune without getting dyno-tuned. Those tunes are off the counter and are basic, you need to go to them and actually get dyno-tuned. That is why Jan ONLY DOES dyno-tunes to get the most power out. Someone who has gotten the evotech has had an increase of around 30hp out of a tune.

If you would compare the GTI to the R56, the REVO stg 2 bumps up the hp by 50 and the evotech someone had gotten raised it up by around 30hp, the 20hp difference comes into play with the .4 liter displacement advantage.

I have gotten the unichip because it is the chip that will make my engine tunable since the evotech and giac flashes are too far.
 

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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:52 PM
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Very nicely done. And also forgot to add WOT tuning and part throttle tuning. My brother's truck spent hours getting dyno-tuned. It takes along time and $$ but puts the car's potential AT THIS PEAK software-wise. When I do get dyno-tuned.

I will be posting the results to show everyone that any pnp or flash can put out some serious gains. I just never said I was going to get dyno-tuned because there were so many threads started and ended up in the fire.
The last two cars I had tuned (dyno) were Miatas.

One was a supercharged 306 cu. in. and the other was a stock Miata with a supercharger. The car spent over 3 months at the dyno for the latter car at a cost of over 1200 bucks.

I never did get it tuned right. I had to sell the supercharger separately and then sell the car.

Even the other Miata with the supercharged V8 never did idle correctly. It was great at WOT but the smoothness I expected never did appear.

Hell, even my Mini with the JCW Stage I kit idles erratically sometimes... something I never had happen until I got it tuned.

And that was using Mini's own programming, imagine what would have happened using someone else's?

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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by orangecrush
The last two cars I had tuned (dyno) were Miatas.

One was a supercharged 306 cu. in. and the other was a stock Miata with a supercharger. The car spent over 3 months at the dyno for the latter car at a cost of over 1200 bucks.

I never did get it tuned right. I had to sell the supercharger separately and then sell the car.

Even the other Miata with the supercharged V8 never did idle correctly. It was great at WOT but the smoothness I expected never did appear.

Hell, even my Mini with the JCW Stage I kit idles erratically sometimes... something I never had happen until I got it tuned.

And that was using Mini's own programming, imagine what would have happened using someone else's?

Mark
Take it to the dealership, that doesn't sound good But yea, to get the tune the right way is costly and long. But tuning is something that should not be half-$#^ed (sorry I couldn't think of any other word lol) It requires precision.
 
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