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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 10:47 AM
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2 people in an S, drives different?

I know it seems to be a rudimentary question as 2x the weight would make a difference but I really feel the difference with 2 folks in the car (myself and a passenger) The passenger being about 2/3rd my weight, Is that something others feel? Car just doesn't seem nearly as lively, Car is a 2006S.

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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 10:50 AM
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I don't notice a difference with my wife, daughter or son ....but one of my pals weighs in at 320 lbs (!!) and there is definitely a difference with him in the car ...a whole lot less room too.

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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 11:00 AM
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Yes, I noticed a real difference with just myself vs a passenger of say 180 or so. Part of the reason I went for a pulley. After the pulley the car felt stronger even with a passenger than before when solo.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 11:38 AM
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hell i notice when i fill up.... its a light car. so not a whole lot of weight will effect it.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 12:22 PM
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It doesnt seem like the mini is nearly as light as i thought, i have a 97 jetta as well and that actually weighs less by about one hundered pounds. CRAZY.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 02:54 PM
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With 3 bodies in the car totaling probably close to 500lbs there is a definite difference in acceleration.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 02:59 PM
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i can put a cappuccino in my car and feel the difference.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 03:12 PM
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I may be a little off but gas is about 6lbs per gallon. A tank full is a little over 1 hp loss. You diminish (best word I can think of) the hp by about 1 hp per extra 50lbs of weight. And I know there is a formula but I can not find it but I know we have some PHD's who can fill that in. So say 500 extra lbs is only a total of about 10 hp. But if think in terms of not the total your hp Mini has but where on the RPM range the HP is. Then you can see that 10 hp loss in stop and go traffic means you are only about 60-80 hp to use.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 03:21 PM
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It helps to have a light girlfriend.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by nabeshin
It helps to have a light girlfriend.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 03:26 PM
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I once had 7 people in my R53....

Needless to say....it drove a bit different and was slammed!
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumperMCS
I once had 7 people in my R53....

Needless to say....it drove a bit different and was slammed!
The most I've had is 5 including me, but it was only for about 3 miles.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 04:10 PM
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talk to the italian job drivers they'll tell you about power loss.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 05:03 PM
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In my MC I notice a difference with a passenger, but not much of a difference. When I am towing a boat, that is a whole new story.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 07BPB
When I am towing a boat, that is a whole new story.
boat?! explain...
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 08:10 PM
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 12:53 AM
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Just digging up some old photos here. Please note that the mini was still a virgin in the modding world.





The boat itself is 16' 7" long, 7' 11" wide, weighs 320 lbs and the mast (big black rod on top) is 26' 6" long. Then there is the trailer.

Dont worry, I get A LOT of funny looks.

PS. It can tow it comfortably uphill at 80kmh in 4th gear.
 

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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 02:23 AM
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Nice MINI! Nice Boat! :-) I received funny looks with my 9'6" surfboard on the rack.
As for weight, yes I feel a little difference with my 120lb wife in the car. But it's not much. However if it's cold outside, the Supercharger makes up the difference with cold air forcing. :-)
 
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 10:08 AM
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Extra weight does make a difference. At my last track day I had a friend ride with my for a session. He is 300+. I was about 5 mph slower down the front straight, and I had to take a few of the turns slower. The weight transfer was noticeably different. At the end of the session the front right brake was quite a bit hotter than normal as well.
 
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 11:58 AM
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I notice another person, or two, but nothing dramatic. Just can tell I have a little more weight.
 
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 01:00 PM
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Don't notice too much difference when it's just me and the wife... but get the whole fam damily in there and I notice it then.
 
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 03:31 PM
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oh that kind of boat.. lol i was thinking like a motor boat. :P but that is still pretty awesome!!!
 
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by call it spade
oh that kind of boat.. lol i was thinking like a motor boat. :P but that is still pretty awesome!!!
Yeah sail boat. Not powerboat. But it has a towing capacity of 500 kgs (1200 lbs or something) so its all good.
 
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Old Jun 14, 2008 | 01:06 AM
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well way to get it done!
 
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Old Jun 14, 2008 | 02:51 PM
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I notice it even when I take my back seats in and out. My girlfriend at 128lbs makes a huge diffrent. It all matters on how you drive the car. With two of my friends a total of 290lbs, the car feels the same if you drive it nice and easy. However, if you try to take off fast/ fast turns you even feel a weight diffrence of 50lbs.
 
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