JCW The Differences: F56 JCW vs. Cooper S
#26
The JCW seats are interesting. The headrest is fixed, but there's still a headrest restraint bar that's mounted the same way as the normal seats, it's just not adjustable due to the upholstery style.
Check out the upholstery page here. All seats are mostly Dinamica [a brand name for a faux suede], and then either have cloth [standard] or leather [$1,950 option] trim. The Dinamica is black on the cloth trim, and red on the leather trim.
The Chrono "paket" gauges are online. The gauges are #62109363125, the LHD bezels are #65509347442 & #65509347446.
Also, the A/C condenser is a new part number, likely as part of the new radiator and intercooler stack-up.
Check out the upholstery page here. All seats are mostly Dinamica [a brand name for a faux suede], and then either have cloth [standard] or leather [$1,950 option] trim. The Dinamica is black on the cloth trim, and red on the leather trim.
The Chrono "paket" gauges are online. The gauges are #62109363125, the LHD bezels are #65509347442 & #65509347446.
Also, the A/C condenser is a new part number, likely as part of the new radiator and intercooler stack-up.
#27
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*The new Brembo front brakes are 4 piston fixed calipers using 2 bridge pins and a retainer spring to locate and quiet the front pads. The JCW pads appear to have much more volume and area than the Cooper S pads. This is good for brake torque and thermal capacity. The pads will also be very quick to change, meaning a swap from street to track compounds can be done quicker than the time it takes to unbolt the wheel.
*The new rotors are 335 x 30mm, versus the Cooper S's 294 x 22mm. That's a big increase in both diameter and width.
*The rear brake rotors are still 259 x 10mm, same as Cooper S, however the calipers and mounts are new part numbers, perhaps because they're painted red.
*Given the much larger front brakes, it's not surprising the Master Cylinder is different [#34336868997]. The proportioning and/or bore size is likely changed to maintain hydraulic balance. Interestingly, the ABS servo is the same as Cooper S. The Vacuum booster aka Servo is also different, now #34336869016.
*The wheel part numbers are still not updated.
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So a retrofit upgrade to Jcw brakes,
won't give give you real jcw stopping power
As its excluding both these parts ?
Not feeling the love for spending 2k anymore
Last edited by blue al; 05-06-2015 at 01:38 PM.
#28
RealOEM lists the 17" Race Spoke wheel, which according to the MINIUSA Configurator is only available on the JCW.
Also, why would MINI make two different 17" Track Spoke wheels, one for the JCW Exterior Package and one for the no-cost option on the JCW?
Also, why would MINI make two different 17" Track Spoke wheels, one for the JCW Exterior Package and one for the no-cost option on the JCW?
Would wheel codes relate to a package with jcw centre caps as opposed to only mini ones for the s
Casting of rims being the same ?
#29
Maybe, but not likely since they list the center caps as a separate part number. Either the dealership "info" is wrong or RealOEM hasn't been fully updated yet. My hunch is on the latter, given the total lack of front suspension numbers on there along with no AMOeK details apart from the air duct.
#30
Bit the bullet and have some jcw callipers on order
Suppose I could retrofit a better master cylinder if needed further down the line
Will be exploring 2 part discs before fitting, as I like to save the weight, and jcw parts are never cheap
thinking audi/vw might have something close enough
Suppose I could retrofit a better master cylinder if needed further down the line
Will be exploring 2 part discs before fitting, as I like to save the weight, and jcw parts are never cheap
thinking audi/vw might have something close enough
#31
I found a JCW auto at Motor City MINI today and took some pictures. This particular model is Rebel Green with Chili Red and black Track spokes. Overall the car has great presence and clearly looks like the hot-rod of the bunch. A few notes:
*The track spokes are indeed very different from the same style wheels on the Cooper and Cooper S JCW Exterior pack cars. The JCW wheel spokes bow significantly convex to clear the Brembo calipers. IMO, they're pretty ugly, as convex face wheels resemble something really really cheap from Discount Tire. :(
*The Rebel Green is so dark, I actually thought it was black until a glimpse of sun came through the clouds and I was like "oh wait, that's a strange looking black". I had to check the window sticker to see that indeed it was Rebel Green. Wow, it's the darkest green I've ever seen.
IMG_5659.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
IMG_5655.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
IMG_5664.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
IMG_5660.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
I took an edge-on picture of the JCW-model wheel and another Cooper S with JCW exterior pack on the lot. You can see the latter is much flatter. Also, the JCW had all-seasons that were Hankook Optimo's.
IMG_5672.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
IMG_5674.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
Ok, some interesting details. There indeed is an extra aero pan on the passenger side under the boot floor. Also, an iPhone fits in the wheel gap of the front wheels! That'll get fixed on mine.
IMG_5666.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
IMG_5662.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
Here is the mysterious "AMOeK". This is looking into the driver-side front bumper grill, and then its exit into the driver-front wheel well. It's clearly a radiator, and my hunch is it's a 2nd radiator, not an oil cooler.
IMG_5670.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
IMG_5669.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
...and I got a nice reflection-free shot of the cloth upholstery. The headrest, shoulders, and thigh bolsters are in Dinamica, and the rest in a normal cloth. The "double stripe" still has the green/olive mini-stripe, just like the JCW interior pack Cooper and Cooper S Double stripe upholstery. The interior looked great overall, the graphic around the center stack ring is very whimsical, and the gauge faces are discreet.
IMG_5663.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
Cheers,
Ryan
*The track spokes are indeed very different from the same style wheels on the Cooper and Cooper S JCW Exterior pack cars. The JCW wheel spokes bow significantly convex to clear the Brembo calipers. IMO, they're pretty ugly, as convex face wheels resemble something really really cheap from Discount Tire. :(
*The Rebel Green is so dark, I actually thought it was black until a glimpse of sun came through the clouds and I was like "oh wait, that's a strange looking black". I had to check the window sticker to see that indeed it was Rebel Green. Wow, it's the darkest green I've ever seen.
IMG_5659.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
IMG_5655.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
IMG_5664.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
IMG_5660.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
I took an edge-on picture of the JCW-model wheel and another Cooper S with JCW exterior pack on the lot. You can see the latter is much flatter. Also, the JCW had all-seasons that were Hankook Optimo's.
IMG_5672.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
IMG_5674.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
Ok, some interesting details. There indeed is an extra aero pan on the passenger side under the boot floor. Also, an iPhone fits in the wheel gap of the front wheels! That'll get fixed on mine.
IMG_5666.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
IMG_5662.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
Here is the mysterious "AMOeK". This is looking into the driver-side front bumper grill, and then its exit into the driver-front wheel well. It's clearly a radiator, and my hunch is it's a 2nd radiator, not an oil cooler.
IMG_5670.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
IMG_5669.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
...and I got a nice reflection-free shot of the cloth upholstery. The headrest, shoulders, and thigh bolsters are in Dinamica, and the rest in a normal cloth. The "double stripe" still has the green/olive mini-stripe, just like the JCW interior pack Cooper and Cooper S Double stripe upholstery. The interior looked great overall, the graphic around the center stack ring is very whimsical, and the gauge faces are discreet.
IMG_5663.jpg by Ryephile, on Flickr
Cheers,
Ryan
#34
thanks a lot for the information. The add. cooler i could never find at the common sources realoem, or what i use:
http://www.etk.cc/bmw/DE/search/sele...C/BMW+JCW/ECE/
Mybe an extra cooler for the A/T transmission.
http://www.etk.cc/bmw/DE/search/sele...C/BMW+JCW/ECE/
Mybe an extra cooler for the A/T transmission.
#35
thanks a lot for the information. The add. cooler i could never find at the common sources realoem, or what i use:
http://www.etk.cc/bmw/DE/search/sele...C/BMW+JCW/ECE/
Mybe an extra cooler for the A/T transmission.
http://www.etk.cc/bmw/DE/search/sele...C/BMW+JCW/ECE/
Mybe an extra cooler for the A/T transmission.
#36
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#38
I am a Motoring Advisor. Own a fairly modded F56 S. Besides the brakes the appealing part of the JCW to me is how its tuned. You let off the gas under load and mine let's out 3-4 loud pops from the exhaust where JCW let's off a dozen times or so and does it btn gears which mine does not. Although mines much faster a JCW modded like mine would really be a hoot. So once my current lease is up the JCW with sport auto is next in line. BTW our dealership GM has a JCW for a demo and asked me to let him take mine out forxa quick run. His only reply when he came back was "Holy **** that's fast " , I said yes its okay
#39
the JCW is throttled down to 233-238 km/h until he has reached a millage of 2000 Km, full power available still later.
With regards to the exhaust, i personally don't like artificial sound engineering, the purest sound to my opinion available through the "prokit exhaust" which is simply open. I have mounted that under my MCS as a single exhaust solution, which gives you much fun. For my new JCW thats a must even if you don't get it alone but 1.400 Euros for the whole kit, makes it still cheaper than Akrapovic if the ***** ever come up with it.
With regards to the exhaust, i personally don't like artificial sound engineering, the purest sound to my opinion available through the "prokit exhaust" which is simply open. I have mounted that under my MCS as a single exhaust solution, which gives you much fun. For my new JCW thats a must even if you don't get it alone but 1.400 Euros for the whole kit, makes it still cheaper than Akrapovic if the ***** ever come up with it.
#40
So far there's 1 person on this forum that's seen a JCW 6MT, but they haven't reported whether the extra bumper radiator is there or not.
*update* The first USA JCW 6MT delivery on a forum shows in the 5th picture the manual trans indeed has the AMOeK.
Though I wouldn't find that unusual, it's the first I've heard of it for this model. Do you have a Source?
Last edited by Ryephile; 07-08-2015 at 06:17 AM.
#41
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#43
No guess, maybe this is not so obvious, as you can't drive 240 every day on the highway, correct 242 what i do every day on my Cooper S. The 242 corresponds with the quoted MINI TOP Speed of 238.
The New JCW i drove over the weekend 1.600 Km millage was slower (Speedometer) 233-238, this experience is shared from several members in the German F56 forum, and from 2000 Km onwards you later reach the quoted top speed of 248
Mybe it is not quoted in the sales flyer that MINI uses their electronic devices to control the run in time for the motor.
The New JCW i drove over the weekend 1.600 Km millage was slower (Speedometer) 233-238, this experience is shared from several members in the German F56 forum, and from 2000 Km onwards you later reach the quoted top speed of 248
Mybe it is not quoted in the sales flyer that MINI uses their electronic devices to control the run in time for the motor.
#46
No guess, maybe this is not so obvious, as you can't drive 240 every day on the highway, correct 242 what i do every day on my Cooper S. The 242 corresponds with the quoted MINI TOP Speed of 238.
The New JCW i drove over the weekend 1.600 Km millage was slower (Speedometer) 233-238, this experience is shared from several members in the German F56 forum, and from 2000 Km onwards you later reach the quoted top speed of 248
Mybe it is not quoted in the sales flyer that MINI uses their electronic devices to control the run in time for the motor.
The New JCW i drove over the weekend 1.600 Km millage was slower (Speedometer) 233-238, this experience is shared from several members in the German F56 forum, and from 2000 Km onwards you later reach the quoted top speed of 248
Mybe it is not quoted in the sales flyer that MINI uses their electronic devices to control the run in time for the motor.
You mentioned here, that the drag of the JCW is higher than the MCS is that confirmed ?
#47
Originally Posted by Clutch Wotan
You mentioned here, that the drag of the JCW is higher than the MCS is that confirmed ?
***I've also updated the 1st post to be more complete and accurate***
Last edited by Ryephile; 07-17-2015 at 08:05 AM.
#48
No guess, maybe this is not so obvious, as you can't drive 240 every day on the highway, correct 242 what i do every day on my Cooper S. The 242 corresponds with the quoted MINI TOP Speed of 238.
The New JCW i drove over the weekend 1.600 Km millage was slower (Speedometer) 233-238, this experience is shared from several members in the German F56 forum, and from 2000 Km onwards you later reach the quoted top speed of 248
The New JCW i drove over the weekend 1.600 Km millage was slower (Speedometer) 233-238, this experience is shared from several members in the German F56 forum, and from 2000 Km onwards you later reach the quoted top speed of 248
#49
After reading that post, I guess that I misunderstood what you were talking about. I was referring to the speedometer error that MINI's and BMW's seem to have. They run about 4 miles per hour off at 60 mph. I've always thought that MINI put too small of tires on our cars, and the larger tires seem to fill up the space a bit too. Wonder if a 225 x 45 x 17 would clear things? The rear seems to be where things get tight.
#50
It's not been verified that the F56 has a similar speedometer error as the R53 or R56 MINIs.
You also don't "correct" tire rubbing with stiffer wheel rates, merely mask it with reduced suspension travel. Even then, your rubbing is not relevant to the F56 as the wheel well shapes are different.
I know you're trying to help, but please keep this thread on topic and leave the speculation based on different platforms out of it.
You also don't "correct" tire rubbing with stiffer wheel rates, merely mask it with reduced suspension travel. Even then, your rubbing is not relevant to the F56 as the wheel well shapes are different.
I know you're trying to help, but please keep this thread on topic and leave the speculation based on different platforms out of it.