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JCW GarageInterested in John Cooper Works (JCW) parts for your 1st Generation MINI? This is where JCW upgrades and accessories for the Cooper (R50), Cabrio (R52), and Cooper S (R53) MINIs are discussed.
Nice work K
I have been saying this since I installed one of the first round of JCW kits in early 03? ( me thinks, only a few days after its US release) and measured the pullies and water pump gearing... no one believed me then either. I had a collection of JCW pullies ranging from an early 03 right on up to the latest GP's...they are all the same size.
--Dan
It is pretty funny... because I put a set of calipers on the pulleys at Dan's shop and did the math and came out with the same result and Dan and k-huevo - and when I claimed it most folks didn't believe me, either. People believe what they want to believe...
Thanks again Keith. Someone had told me they were different and the ETK didn't show a p/n for the pulleys to compare. Looks like everything else in the engine kit (other than the larger intercooler) is the same too. I guess the only difference is the ECU program?
And we should believe every thing we read, right? The actual measurements are posted here, and elsewhere. Do the math. I see this thread is going in the same circles as the rest of them, and there is no point in arguing it, its not a religous or political debate...its math.
Last edited by Grassroots Garage; 12-05-2007 at 07:46 AM.
And we should believe every thing we read, right? The actual measurements are posted here, and elsewhere. Do the math. I see this thread is going in the same circles as the rest of them, and there is no point in arguing it, its not a religous or political debate...its math.
This post is blasphemous!!! First of all he read it... it's not TV therefor it's totally believable as things that are written in magazines are fact. Second of all... how dare you bring logic onto this website...
just out of curiosity, could some of the confusion be between some people calculation the difference in diameter while other are doing circumference? Just a thought, didnt do the math, but after years of the debate, just wondering... Beecher
just out of curiosity, could some of the confusion be between some people calculation the difference in diameter while other are doing circumference?
Wouldn't make a difference -- the ratio would not change.
Would only make a difference if someone was comparing surface areas of the respective cross-sections as that is not a linear relationship -- but that would really be silly
Could make a material difference if anyone measured from the "shoulder" vs the pulley surface. Might make a TINY difference if folks compared the bottom of the grooves vs. the top of the grooves... but shouldn't be material.
Could make a material difference if anyone measured from the "shoulder" vs the pulley surface. Might make a TINY difference if folks compared the bottom of the grooves vs. the top of the grooves... but shouldn't be material.
For what its worth, I made my measurements where the belt would ride ... on the top of the groves on the center of the pulley using a calibrated (traceable to NIST) digital caliper. However, the measurements were not made at 20°C (68°F) which is the International accepted standard temperature for linear measurements ... sorry guys
I measured the diameter at the land top and when I get some time I’ll measure diameter at the groove. I did measure the OEM Gates (JCW) and the Conti (stock) belts rib height/groove depth and they were both identical, if that means anything on its own. I’m all for repeated measurements and I will revisit a comparison again in a couple weeks.
nafffets, it’s no secret flash, it is from LDG, and I “lucked” (clue) into a version with torque management features before ECU shipping was discontinued.
I was in the same boat ,when first got my car last year and the guru's on this board suggested to me to leave the JCW pulley alone . The old threads are here somewhere.
OK, so now for a stupid novice question. If you reduce the SC pulley in question do you need a shorter SC drive belt or is there sufficient play in the belt tensioner to accommodate the slack?
Or do you install a proportionately larger SC drive pulley at the other end of the loop?