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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 11:22 PM
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After reading his email again I think he is saying that he needs 5 orders to make it worth making the molds and the regular price would be between $500 and $600 but the 5 orders together would put it under $500 each.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 01:08 AM
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Has anyone done this yet? I emailed Jim at Rogue
Would you please give me the contact information? I would like to paint some parts with CF.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 01:14 AM
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there are carbon imitation products out there that cost 1/3 the amount of real carbon overlay (Without the weight) and look exactly the same. I was saying there's no point in using actual carbon fiber to lay over steel.
Would you please refer any vendors or shops that do CF imitation? I want to paint my MFSW and some other internal stuff.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Marwan
Would you please refer any vendors or shops that do CF imitation? I want to paint my MFSW and some other internal stuff.
You can't paint on Carbon Fiber. CF is made in gel-coated sheets typically.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rustyboy155
You can't paint on Carbon Fiber. CF is made in gel-coated sheets typically.

I want to have my MFSW with CF, I've seen some people out there doing that paint or cover what so ever. But I need some contacts for those who you think they are really knowing what they are doing.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 01:58 AM
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I want to have my MFSW with CF, I've seen some people out there doing that paint or cover what so ever. But I need some contacts for those who you think they are really knowing what they are doing.
Pretty sure JCW offers CF Replacement snap ons for most of the interior of the car (And some exterior). Take a look at a parts catalog, then order away .
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by rustyboy155
Pretty sure JCW offers CF Replacement snap ons for most of the interior of the car (And some exterior). Take a look at a parts catalog, then order away .
Yeah you are right, but! JCW snaps do not have multifunction spokes. That's why everyone paints it. I've got the lower JCW CF snap already. the right and left ones are still grey stock.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rustyboy155
You can't paint on Carbon Fiber. CF is made in gel-coated sheets typically.
That's true, but Marwan was asking about *imitation* carbon fiber, and there are several places that do water-soluble PVA printing that mimics anything from woodgrain to snakeskin to stone finishes to carbon fiber. CooperGear is one of the NAM vendors that does this kind of work.

Their faux carbon-fiber finish looks really good, but I should point out that if you already have any of the JCW carbon fiber parts, the PVA-printed imitation parts are *not* a good match. I was going to have CooperGear do my door panels, but when they sent me a sample so I could see how it would look with all my JCW parts, I realized it wouldn't work very well.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Marwan
Yeah you are right, but! JCW snaps do not have multifunction spokes. That's why everyone paints it. I've got the lower JCW CF snap already. the right and left ones are still grey stock.
As I said, you can't really paint on a CF finish, it's fairly intricate

You have to find someone that makes an imitation sticker or can custom fabricate the piece you're looking for.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ScottRiqui
That's true, but Marwan was asking about *imitation* carbon fiber, and there are several places that do water-soluble PVA printing that mimics anything from woodgrain to snakeskin to stone finishes to carbon fiber. CooperGear is one of the NAM vendors that does this kind of work.

Their faux carbon-fiber finish looks really good, but I should point out that if you already have any of the JCW carbon fiber parts, the PVA-printed imitation parts are *not* a good match. I was going to have CooperGear do my door panels, but when they sent me a sample so I could see how it would look with all my JCW parts, I realized it wouldn't work very well.
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ScottRiqui
if you already have any of the JCW carbon fiber parts, the PVA-printed imitation parts are *not* a good match. I was going to have CooperGear do my door panels, but when they sent me a sample so I could see how it would look with all my JCW parts, I realized it wouldn't work very well.
Yeah, CooperGear reported the same thing to me. Well, I think that a little of difference is acceptable. My main concern is the 3d look. Does the sample they sent you look 3d wavy as CF does? From the pictures, I would accept it. I'm NOT giving away my MFSW at all!!!
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 02:47 AM
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The piece that CooperGear sent me to look at was the manual transmission shifter trim ring. Since I already have that piece in carbon fiber from JCW, I was able to do a good side-by-side comparison.

The big difference was in the colour. The JCW pieces are a very dark charcoal colour (as you already know from your MFSW insert). The CooperGear piece was much lighter, more of a silver-grey.

The CooperGear piece also didn't have as much 3-D appearance and depth as the JCW piece. Part of the reason is that the PVA process is a flat printed image on film, rather than an actual carbon fiber weave, so it's understandable that it looks a little "flatter". The other reason is that the trim ring CooperGear sent me had been clearcoated, but it hadn't been fully wetsanded and polished out yet, so the clearcoat wasn't as clear or glossy as the JCW parts. The clearcoat on the parts that CooperGear actually sells to customers looks much better, though. They only sent me a half-finished sample piece so I could judge the colour match - I wasn't concerned about the clearcoat at that point.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 02:59 AM
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Well, which way shall I go then? Dump the JCW center spoke? Return everything as it was? Or ask Cooper Gear to give me a CF style but a different color? A dark silver squares for example?
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 03:05 AM
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Well, I think Mike at Aesthetic Creations is working on actual carbon-fiber replacements for the MFSW inserts, and those should be a good match for the lower spoke you already have. As long as the three steering wheel inserts match each other, you might be able to use the PVA-printing process for the rest of your interior pieces without it clashing too much.

I only decided not to go the PVA route because I already have so many of the JCW CF pieces (dash, downtubes, shifter ring, cupholder rings, hood scoop, mirror backs and hatch handle). In my case, the PVA door panels would have really looked out-of-place.

If I were starting from scratch, I'd probably have *everything* PVA-printed, perhaps over a coloured basecoat like some of the pictures on CooperGear's site.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ScottRiqui
Well, I think Mike at Aesthetic Creations is working on actual carbon-fiber replacements for the MFSW inserts, and those should be a good match for the lower spoke you already have. As long as the three steering wheel inserts match each other, you might be able to use the PVA-printing process for the rest of your interior pieces without it clashing too much.
Yeah, I'll ask Mike. If not, I'll go for PVA. What color do you recommend? I'm going to change only the light grey parts like the down tubes and door handles. My car color is royal silver, the dark grey one.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 03:12 AM
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Ask CooperGear to send you a sample piece. The "silvery-grey" carbon fiber finish on the piece they sent me might go well with royal silver.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 03:17 AM
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Email sent to Mike at Aesthetic Creations. I'll let everyone know if I have any updates.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 07:34 AM
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My earlier posts were refering to Jim at Rogue Motorsports here in AZ. He does much in real carbon and can take pieces like the steering wheel inserts and overlay them with real carbon and then clear coat. They look as good as anything I've seen. Small parts like that aren't too pricy but probably more than Cooper Gear. Email Jim at roguemotorsports@gmail.com or jim@roguese7ens.com.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by minirob2
My earlier posts were refering to Jim at Rogue Motorsports here in AZ. He does much in real carbon and can take pieces like the steering wheel inserts and overlay them with real carbon and then clear coat. They look as good as anything I've seen. Small parts like that aren't too pricy but probably more than Cooper Gear. Email Jim at roguemotorsports@gmail.com or jim@roguese7ens.com.

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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 05:13 PM
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Let's get back on track... I'm in on a CF Roof.. $400-500 let's get the 5 he needs
 
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by minirob2
My earlier posts were refering to Jim at Rogue Motorsports here in AZ. He does much in real carbon and can take pieces like the steering wheel inserts and overlay them with real carbon and then clear coat. They look as good as anything I've seen. Small parts like that aren't too pricy but probably more than Cooper Gear. Email Jim at roguemotorsports@gmail.com or jim@roguese7ens.com.
I'm contacting Jim and he looks like he's knowing what he's doing. I really like the guy and I hope the results are as professional as he seems to be.
 
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 05:16 PM
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come on guys 2 are in... let's get 3 more so we can get these below $500. This is what I need for my just ordered CF Bonnet and rear hatch.
 
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by markp
come on guys 2 are in... let's get 3 more so we can get these below $500. This is what I need for my just ordered CF Bonnet and rear hatch.
I can't imagine we can get this price anywhere else. Be the first in your club to have a carbon roof. Just three more!
 
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Old Jun 14, 2008 | 11:18 PM
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I'm interested but my car is equipped with sunroof, any solutions?
 
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I'm interested but my car is equipped with sunroof, any solutions?
interested as well but i have the sunroof also
 
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