Oh indeed...most of the hoods you see on the import-crowd cars are actually fiberglass with CF over it.

 

indeed... 95% of cf parts = fiberglass with 1 layer of cosmetic cf over top. I'd bet money this part is the same.

 

No way Palo Uber The Artist would allow that in this case.

 

Well , I didn't know that, this scoop might be getting sent back

 

is it cf patterend on the bottom and round the screw holes?

 

havn't recieved it yet , maybe the first poster could look at his? I'll post close up photos of the offending piece as soon I recieve it.

 

Another very common method is to use a foam core and wrap a Fiberglass or CF sheet around that. It's quite rare to find a true autoclaved full CF item for a street car. The production costs for true 100% CF are quite prohibitive.

 

that and material is super limited due to the building of c17s and crap. the price of cf spiked with the war.

 

Is M7's stuff "real" CF?

 

Truthfully I'd doubt any of this fanboi cf is real. But that's another thread entirely.

 

Shouldn't all vendors be held to the same standards, or do we only get to bash PU?

 

I bash them all. I guess there is a reason you don't see any cf on my car. PU just goes the extra mile to try and convince people that it's real 100% cf and demands pricing to back it up.

I guess for the extra price and prestige that pu claims to present... you can expect actually superior parts and fabrication. A lot of us are skeptical as to if that is really being provided.

 

hahah what? Were you not here for the "show me the numbers campaign" that M7 had to endure? When they didn't provide numbers to back up their claims....they were faced by tons of posts asking for numbers and denying their claims.

So yes....if we are holding them all to the same standards, these questions seem totally reasonable. I would like tests or proof to back up claims such as "best performing" ,"highest quality materials", "most famous artist" and all of the other claims that PU has made.

You see, we are only being fair. M7 stopped the bashing by providing numbers and graphs with all products. All PU has to do is to show the graphs and measurements that they must have made to use reach a level where such adjectives could be used to describe their products.

Yes, PU seems to be the only one being bashed right now....but simply because they are the only ones that haven't cleaned up their act and seem to be lying more than any vendor before. M7 and Alta, among the other big ones, all provide us with info to back up extraordinary claims.....when PU does that, the bashing will stop

 

I'm an equal oppertunuty basher, nothing against PU personally, jsut think their business practices need more work, same can be said for others, like Mini Works. Look around, there are other threads with issues from other vendors too. At least they have the cajones to try and work it out usually. I've yet to see PU defend whent they publish.

Look at the last exchange with Mini of the Hamptons. NAM member had issue, told the vendor and reported it. NAM members as per usual mostly circled the wagons and called for scalps. Vendo took care of member in a timely and fair way, NAM members heaped praise upon the vendor for doing the right thing.

It's not hard to be open and green in todays business climate.

 

I had Ducati aftermarket CF that was real but it didn't hold up in the sun and yellowed bad.

 

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Okay, I have a question about P.U. and his artistic skills: What is so fantastic about a scoop that has NO design relationship to the car for which it was created? The straight lines, the converging angles, the curves all have nothing to do with the mini's design. As a product designer, I find it a very amateur design and seems dashed off without much devleopment as to style. It appears to be designed to slip out of a mold easily, not to blend with the design of the car. I don't get it. Do you? and that SIGNATURE label! As an ex-punk, Paulo should be ASHAMED of the crass promoition. What ever happened to the antidisestablishmentarianismanist revolution? Ick.

 

haha the same thing happened to me with my duc parts. Especially the heatshield for my 748 exhaust.

 

Any yellowing experienced with CF is dependent on the resin being used.....although there is a slight chance that its the clearcoat.

 

It seems the best any one can tell there is no real human Palo Uber, he/she/it is only a figment of a marketers imagination. Do a Google search sometime. leet me know if you find anything outside of the Mini world or their own page. There are NO other references to this person online. A bit odd for a "world reknown artist"

 

Seems pretty likely.


I know you know this, but for others...

For a properly autoclaved exclusively CF front splitter, you're spending $1.5 grand. By contrast, the M7 splitter I have on my MINI is a layer of CF over fiberglass. And it costs $300 bucks. Don't get me wrong, it's a fine product and I'm very happy with it. But it is what it is, for a myriad of reasons. (Street durability with daily uses, for starters.)

R&D costs + CF costs + Autoclave operation costs + low production numbers = $$$$

(There's a reason why the exclusively carbon fiber front wing of a Champ Car or Indycar costs $48,000-$55,000 dollars. And F1... well... )

On a smaller scale, this is true for low production run aftermarket parts for street cars. (I.E Vorstiener, Schnitzer, etc).

I don't see how P/U could be excepted. Particularly when their other non-CF parts are so bloody pricey.

 

http://www.palouber.com/index.html

 

Yeah, thats his/her/it's own site.

Heck I own the site for my own last name.net

My point is as I stated above. Besides his own site and references in the Mini world there is no Palo Uber pressence on the net. None Nada Zippo...

Search for any of the other names dropped in the PU site and you will find hundred if not thousands of references.

Now for fun....

Use one of the names on there, say Mark Rothko, who is a real person and combine that in a search with our ficticious person and try again. Only one site will have both names on it, care to guess which?

 

agreed. but they do seem to claim that it is true cf. I don't care what they do just that they call a spade a spade.

 

It's a little company that thinks there's a market for very high priced MINI parts with "snob" appeal, they're marketing to people that just want it because it costs a lot. (Like putting gold plated trim on a MB) Look at what some of the English companies did do to MINI's there's and article in on of the latest mags on a car some company worked on it's awful but I'll bet it cost a lot and it is just a Cooper.

I don't know why PU stays on this board but it might be because they make money selling to people here inspite of the bad threads.

There are a lot of worthless stuff sold for lots of money to MINI owners.