1980 was a good year, but this is nuts.
http://www.autobase.com/cgi/info.exe...ealer=crevierm

 

"I think the dash plaque remark was "somewhat" naive. "
Chows, go back and read your original remark then read the comment I made above and maybe you can realize that I was not calling you naive. It sounded like to me you were implying the GP was not much more than a dash plaque. Cmon now..Excuse me if I am being naive but what do you expect when you speak like that on a GP talk thread. Like all Mini owners we are somewhat fond of our cars....

 

No, I didn't mean that. And, of course, everyone is fond of their cars ... please remember I do not think anyone has ever said a GP is a terrible car. Rather, the disappointment has been with MINI ... as a car company.

Have fun, enjoy your car ...its a MINI!

 

Chows, you don't even own a MINI anymore, and you still persist in badmouthing those of us who bought GP's. Is the enthusiast the one with the GP, or the one who does not even own a MINI?


GP0019

 

Where did he badmouth anyone? I seriously slam his (Chows) butt-ended overpriced Volkswagen all the time and all he does is laugh. Is everyone getting so thin-skinned around here that they can't stand for a little questioning of the GP package that Mini put together without feeling that they are being personally attacked?

As to the enthusiast part of your statement, I've read it four times and still can't figure out what question you are posing........

I'm going to throw this out here - I own an Evo. Go ahead, ridicule the wing - tell me it's a tarted up Lancer with fat wheel wells, ask me if I'm 18, make some witty Fast and Furious quip - it really doesn't bother me because I enjoy my car and that enjoyment is independent of what anyone else thinks.

So go and enjoy your GP and don't worry what anyone else thinks about it.

 

Jim, how ironic. I wrote this thread https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=85840 before even reading this response. I guess it was good timing. I suggest you go read it.

I have NEVER badmouthed any owner of any car for their decisions. To each their own. I've owned two (2) Dodge Colts Feel free to badmouth me for my bad taste.

For the LAST time, I am disappointed in what MINI has done, not in the car itself Do you not see the difference???

I wrote a few posts above ...

"please remember I do not think anyone has ever said a GP is a terrible car. Rather, the disappointment has been with MINI ... as a car company."

Are you reading the same sentence I wrote
Where, exactly, had I "badmouthed" any owner?
Do you know the difference between badmouthing a decision made by a car manufacturer rather than a car itself or a owner

Skip, my friend, you are in serious denial

What color is that Japanese Rally car of yours?

Everyday I see a Purple Evo in the parking lot and think ...

Who the hell would buy a Purple winged Mitsu unless they were into drifting Oh wait, I know ... Skip

No seriously, I do see one everyday and have taken the time walking in the parking lot to go over it. Admire the Brembos, the serious looking tires, the Rally look of the beast ...

Then I look inside and think

Just kidding dude. You got a fine track machine there that's just as fast around the Ring as my VW ... that's saying something for those wings

 

GP Talk (14 Viewing)
Have a MINI JCW GP? Discuss them here!

Chows4us see the above why dont you take your opinionating about every dam thing that pops ito your head elsewhere?

This thread was to be a place where GP owners can come to share ideas and comments about thier cars, Why don't you just shut up and leave it at that

TAKE THE HINT........are you so thick headed that you don't understand your opinions are not welcome here and we don't care what you think.get a life dude, go out and play in the yard, better yet go out and play in traffic...............obviuosly your inane opinions have me really pi$$ed off

 

I have to chime in on this one - I'm not on NAM so much - for just this reason... people come on and post just to stir the pot...

I read all the posts in the GP forum before I bought my car... and between all the positive feedback , and personal friends (who had actually driven the GP!) advised me, and getting a great deal through my dealer, I pulled the triger and bought one.

I am totally happy with my car.... Period.

I am into it - and wish to post with other like minded people in hopes to exchange ideas and feedback - it would be really nice if we GP owners didn't have to defend our purchase descision in nearly every post.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion - but what is the point to go into a comminitee of GP owners and post opinions when they have no weight...unless you own a GP then just go post somewhere else.

This is not pointing to any one person - it is just a general statement - The GP is not another MC40 - sorry... and if you think it is that's great...but those of us who own the GP will agree to disagree.

 

You heard him Chows - fanboys only..........obviously on the GP forum, there is no room for dissent.

Minzilla - you take the hint. This forum is intended for mature audiences - people who respect one anothers opinions. Assuming you speak for everyone who owns a GP is the height of arrogance. If I owned a GP I'd be ashamed of your infantile rant.

If having a different opinion, by general consensus, constitutes stirring the pot around here, then I have some advice for you - grow up.

You can start by disassociating your ego from the car you drive - that's a big first step. Hint - it's OK for people to express their thoughts, positive, negative or indifferent, about your car. It's not okay to throw a hissy fit about it and start calling people names.

Why don't you try reporting Chows to the mods? After all, if you can only post GP opinions if you own one and these opinions have to be positive, maybe you have a case for getting him, or me for that matter, banned. Or maybe your interpretation of the guidelines is shortsighted, because in your zeal to defend your ego and your beloved car, you stepped all over one of the first tenets of posting here - that you show other people and their opinions respect.

 

Skip,
It's good to be on your buddies side, I understand.
Chows is cool, the problem is he has complained about the GP
and dissed the car for over a year now. He does not have/want one.
That's great, this is a GP owners thread and unless he has something
new or constructive to add, time for him to move on.

 

MOTORN:

I don't know Chows and for the record, he and I have disagreed on many things - but I respect his right to voice an opinion and I expect people around here to be tolerant of opposing views.

Camelpilot was spot on when he said that the initial specs of the GP were met with generally universal criticism and more than one person compared the proposed package to the MC40.

Well, we now know that the GP has become more than the sum of its parts and has converted quite a few naysayers to fans. This still doesn't change the fact that some people can accept that the car is a blast but that they were expecting a bit more.

And for the record, the majority of opinions on this thread have responded to the OPs original question - and the consensus seems to be that the GP will not hold it's value any more than the 06 JCW will.

Chows didn't bash the GP. He even posted started a second thread trying to explain he isn't bashing the car. If the aim of the GP forums is to have all the fanboys stroking each other over their precious little cars, if GP owners aren't mature enough to hear other people's opinions - then so be it - the rest of us won't ruin your party.

 

I'm sorry, to me, your past posts indicated otherwise.

We know , we know, Me too, I called it the GP40. Check old posts.

So was I. And I can make it so.

Time will tell, next.

Never said Chows did. Just said he has been sending the same
message for over a year now and we got it. If he has something
new to say great.

 

NORTH AMERICAN MOTORING COMMUNITY GUIDELINES

When posting, both members and vendors must ALWAYS be respectful of fellow members and vendors. Personal attacks and flames will not be tolerated.

 

Mini took two places out of the top ten!
http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/27/auto...ion=2006112908

 

When I had my 03 MCS, it was highly modified. Chows had a JCW with the accursed MC40 package.

I used to roundly criticize both packages and Chows was one of the few JCW owners to not only tolerate my posts, but respond to them with good natured humor, just as he does to my jabs about the Cayman S he's now driving.

 

I would agree.

The GP is NOT an 07 MCS although it's possible a new loaded MCS might approach similar prices.

It boils down to supply and demand.

In my area there are NO GPs left and they had no trouble selling all of them at higher than MSRP. Since demand is still present I don't see prices dropping anytime soon like next month. Naturally if you know dealers that still have them selling at very high prices you might be able to get them to part with one at some point.

It will be much easier to sell a new 07 MCS due to many possible choices that suit individual buyers and due to lower prices.

If you find a GP owner that lives in an non urban area where no one knows what a MINI is then you might be able to pick it up used at a favorable price.

Heck, I see used 05 Lotus elise now starting to be sold for $43,000 in my area and I know others that bought it and are letting it sit as we have no track and essentially no motorsports events locally. Last year used Elise in my area were going for about $48-50K.

 

+1 ..... I agree completely.

 

I think perhaps you need to read the NAM guidelines a bit. I, for one, as I repeatedly have said again and again, am just disappointed in a MINI marketing decision, not the car, nor any owner.

You, on the other hand are totally disrespectful here ... your "play in the traffic" line is, well, over the line for a mature adult ... but its Christmas time so "go have a nice day"

The OP asked a question on futures prices. You don't need to own OJ futures to predict the price of OJ in February.

However, your point here is fair. Done. Isn't it interesting how yours and Motorns rational posts gets more results than disrespectful rage

Minihune ... its location driving supply and deman. Look at GPMINIs website numbers http://www.gpmini.net/mtblog/archive...gps_sold.shtml
50 cars still unsold.

As to Elise, 05s dropped like a rock last year as the early adopters quickly found it they car was unsuitable for daily driving. You can find one here now for mid-30s. Again ... location.

 

Hi Chow - I appriciate your reply - and I am usually not one to bash or name call or anything really - to me it just was a little odd...I mean... we all drive Mini Coopers - and we all love them - so it just doesn't make sense to me for anyone on NAM to argue over these things....who cares - Yes, we all agree that Mini could have done more with the GP - I'd like more power and less weight...hell we all would! However, it just doesn't matter, I'm totally satisfied with my purchase... as I was with my 05' MCS... This last year of Mini ownership has been some of the best times I've had in any car I've owned....and more than just the car, are the poeple who I've met as a result of being part of the Mini family.

I think if you own, and drive a Mini - not matter what model, we're all on the same team and a member of the same family.
I fight with my sister all the time...doesn't mean we're not still family

:-)

Motor On.

 

I drive my GP. I'm happy.

 

Skiploader
Opinions are like A44holes....everyone has one, and you and chows can bite mine.
And I dont respect someone who has to put in there two cents everytime someone else in this community posts something
You wanna call me immature, go ahead...obviously your opinion doesn't matter to me. In fact I left NAM over a year ago because of people like you, maybe I'll get banned for my comments, but unless you can bring something useful or constructive to the table most of you should just keep your opinions to yourselves
Bye Bye NAM
Moderators do your jobs!
Kumpie

 

Infraction issued for this post. Job done. Everyone else, please do not respond to it and add fuel to the fire.

 

WTF is this
You do me proud Steve

 

A good friend of mine told me about how the local Ford dealer could not sell his allocation of FORD COBRAs. He wanted out. Now. My friend kept coming into the dealership and the price kept coming down on the 427 model. Sticker: $6000. Price dealership eventually got down to: $4000.

He just didn't have the money at the time (that was a lot of money in the early 60's!). He had to settle for a Triumph TR4.

My obvious point here is, the ability or lack of ablity of a retailer to get a special edition product out the door does not necessarily conincide with what the eventual resale value will be. A Ferrari Dino stickered for about $10k in 1971. It then lost half its value through to about 1981 or so. A clean one now can be had for over $200k.

 

The following is not in relation to the last poster.

I have a GP and drive it everyday year round (even in the snow) and I LOVE IT !! I am happy with the level of value it has retained; especially when you compare it to any other auto; including other MINI's.

I also like NAM but have never enjoy seeing the "same people" who always jump at the chance to be so negative and correct others. That includes certain moderators too who!!! So many of us sit back and watch all of the negative one's step in it time and time again.