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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by eenymini
I use premium, and I get why this particular engine runs better on premium than it does on regular. But when you compare it to other engines that run on regular and deliver similar (or better) specs on paper, I start to wonder why BMW designed the Justa to use premium - that's all.

To illustrate:

2012 MINI Cooper base
121 hp, 114 lb-ft
28/36 mpg
Premium gas

2012 Honda Civic LX
140 hp, 128 lb-ft
28/39 mpg
Regular gas


Again, I'm talking about engine performance only. I know the Cooper blows similarly-spec'd cars away in terms of overall, non-engine-related handling (that's why I bought one, very happy with it).
The Honda engine is a 1.8L and Cooper's is a 1.6L. I am sure that has something to do with it. I mean my 07 Accent had a 1.4L and 110 hp. With MINI you are getting a package designed one way. The Civic a package designed another way.

Took way to long to respond to this. Why does my boss bother me at work.
 

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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 01:43 PM
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Previous (and only other) owner told me that he was having major issues when using premium gasoline in my S. He said that the car would stutter constantly. His mechanic told him to stop using premium, that it wasn't needed - and the issue went away.

I occasionally use premium in the car, but 90% of the time, I use 87. Not once have I had any issues, and I get about 29 MPG. I do not see any kind of improvement from using 91 or 93, either.

This topic will be debated until we all hit the grave. It's up to the person who owns the car what they want to do. I know the old story about compression ratios and everything else, but for this car, I have had zero problems with regular unleaded non-ethanol gasoline.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 01:51 PM
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oh and by the way?

http://www.supercarsite.net/mini/cooper-s/2002
 
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 01:53 PM
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You're using regular unleaded....in a turbocharged engine? Whatever works for you I suppose, but that tells me that there was something more going on there if it was stuttering with premium, like not making boost or needs a tune or something.

Edit: sorry you'd be supercharged, not turbo, didn't see the year of your car at first.
 

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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 07:52 PM
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From: Always curious ...
Originally Posted by eenymini

Why does the "Justa" demand premium gas when other comparable engines do not? In other words, what return are Base owners getting in exchange for the roughly $2 surcharge per tank?

Idle curiosity ...


Perfectly valid and clear question (to me, at least)! A quick and maybe over-simplified answer is that you can get more power and torque compared to a similar-sized engine that would use regular fuel (i.e., one with a lower compression ratio).

The MINI is a small car with a small space for the engine. So, a small engine is needed. How do you get more power and torque out of that small engine? Increase the compression ratio (i.e., increase the amount that the piston goes in an out of the engine cylinder). But if you increase the compression ratio, you will need premium fuel to prevent knocking (as others have explained).

So, really, the simple sweet answer to your question is that using premium fuel allows you to drive a small car (with a small engine) and still get reasonably good power and torque.

MINI could have used a lower compression ratio engine that uses regular fuel, but then we would all be complaining how under-powered the damn thing is.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2012 | 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ofioliti
Perfectly valid and clear question (to me, at least)! A quick and maybe over-simplified answer is that you can get more power and torque compared to a similar-sized engine that would use regular fuel (i.e., one with a lower compression ratio).

The MINI is a small car with a small space for the engine. So, a small engine is needed. How do you get more power and torque out of that small engine? Increase the compression ratio (i.e., increase the amount that the piston goes in an out of the engine cylinder). But if you increase the compression ratio, you will need premium fuel to prevent knocking (as others have explained).

So, really, the simple sweet answer to your question is that using premium fuel allows you to drive a small car (with a small engine) and still get reasonably good power and torque.

MINI could have used a lower compression ratio engine that uses regular fuel, but then we would all be complaining how under-powered the damn thing is.

Bingo - this makes sense. Thanks!!

 
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