Drivetrain 62 kit on its way to M7 ... Yes it is happening
Instead of just going for a ride in it you need to set it next to an (as close to) identical modded M45 and see what happens. No more he/she says so, lets see a show down!!!! Maybe we could give the guys at Pinks a call
(j/k)
Motor On!
(j/k)Motor On!
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You know...
But really, development is lots of waiting between brief moments of intense activity. That's the way it goes with voyer threads!
Matt
That's the last time i walk around this thread with my supercharger hanging out of my robe... at least send me a pm warning us folks about it next time...
How will we ever get it right, if we don't repeat ourselves?
wait I just confused myself... what is it that we were trying to get right again?
on a serious note, what engine size is the m62 intended for again?
wait I just confused myself... what is it that we were trying to get right again?
on a serious note, what engine size is the m62 intended for again?
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The Eaton Supercharger Model 62 is designed for 2.5L to 4.0L passenger car and light truck engines, but may also be suitable for other engine sizes, depending on total system performance requirements.
Direct from Eaton
I would like to see if a Twin Vortices System would fit
Direct from Eaton
I would like to see if a Twin Vortices System would fit
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According to http://www.capa.com.au/eaton.htm
M62 is designed for 2.0-4.0L engines.
M62 is designed for 2.0-4.0L engines.
Performance Maps
These are all from the Eaton website. Thank God they got rid of those stupid little set of curves......
M62
M45
And WTF... The new TVS R410....
Looking at these plots, which SC would you choose for a prodcution car? A hot-rod? A race-car?
FWIW, the performance maps for the other Eaton SCs are up here.
Matt
M62
M45
And WTF... The new TVS R410....
Looking at these plots, which SC would you choose for a prodcution car? A hot-rod? A race-car?
FWIW, the performance maps for the other Eaton SCs are up here.
Matt
There are some fast lessons in looking at these for a while...
they aren't designed for high boost applications. Look how they fall off on pressure ratio. The charts don't even go above 2.0 (about 15 psi boost).
Also, the new TVS looks like it's only for high revs, but that's an impression of the scale. The R410 does just as good as the M45, but justs gets better and better at higher RPMs more like a turbo until it hits the wall. This sucker looks sweet! The M62 has a little softer fall off with boost than the 45 (that's good) and it will deliver the air to higher total flows, about 50% more.... But it's still not built for really high boosts. If the boost is too high with any of these, the IATs will skyrocket.
I'm sure this is just what the Tc car guys found before they started bolting on turbos. And it's the very same reasons why you take them off for peak power! The SC will be very, very nice with good low bite if you don't ask too much from it. Get those pressure ratios too high and it will be a pain to work with, and probably not worth the effort....
Matt
Also, the new TVS looks like it's only for high revs, but that's an impression of the scale. The R410 does just as good as the M45, but justs gets better and better at higher RPMs more like a turbo until it hits the wall. This sucker looks sweet! The M62 has a little softer fall off with boost than the 45 (that's good) and it will deliver the air to higher total flows, about 50% more.... But it's still not built for really high boosts. If the boost is too high with any of these, the IATs will skyrocket.
I'm sure this is just what the Tc car guys found before they started bolting on turbos. And it's the very same reasons why you take them off for peak power! The SC will be very, very nice with good low bite if you don't ask too much from it. Get those pressure ratios too high and it will be a pain to work with, and probably not worth the effort....
Matt
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uhhhh 2.0 bar is 28 psi.... unless they are using something else...
also these charts do not account for drag from the SC
the IATs of the TC are not much more.... infact with proper intercooling are no different... and ofcourse with my FMIC are way lower than anything we have seen.... but when you remove the SC the gains you get are not only effiecency but lack of parasitic drag... the car is much happier since it is so tiny to begin with... driving the M45 is already an issue.... you can feel this greatly with it gone... even the R56 it is very apparent how happy the little 1.6l is...
also these charts do not account for drag from the SC
the IATs of the TC are not much more.... infact with proper intercooling are no different... and ofcourse with my FMIC are way lower than anything we have seen.... but when you remove the SC the gains you get are not only effiecency but lack of parasitic drag... the car is much happier since it is so tiny to begin with... driving the M45 is already an issue.... you can feel this greatly with it gone... even the R56 it is very apparent how happy the little 1.6l is...
they aren't designed for high boost applications. Look how they fall off on pressure ratio. The charts don't even go above 2.0 (about 15 psi boost).
Also, the new TVS looks like it's only for high revs, but that's an impression of the scale. The R410 does just as good as the M45, but justs gets better and better at higher RPMs more like a turbo until it hits the wall. This sucker looks sweet! The M62 has a little softer fall off with boost than the 45 (that's good) and it will deliver the air to higher total flows, about 50% more.... But it's still not built for really high boosts. If the boost is too high with any of these, the IATs will skyrocket.
I'm sure this is just what the Tc car guys found before they started bolting on turbos. And it's the very same reasons why you take them off for peak power! The SC will be very, very nice with good low bite if you don't ask too much from it. Get those pressure ratios too high and it will be a pain to work with, and probably not worth the effort....
Matt
Also, the new TVS looks like it's only for high revs, but that's an impression of the scale. The R410 does just as good as the M45, but justs gets better and better at higher RPMs more like a turbo until it hits the wall. This sucker looks sweet! The M62 has a little softer fall off with boost than the 45 (that's good) and it will deliver the air to higher total flows, about 50% more.... But it's still not built for really high boosts. If the boost is too high with any of these, the IATs will skyrocket.
I'm sure this is just what the Tc car guys found before they started bolting on turbos. And it's the very same reasons why you take them off for peak power! The SC will be very, very nice with good low bite if you don't ask too much from it. Get those pressure ratios too high and it will be a pain to work with, and probably not worth the effort....
Matt
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Mini Meet West is July 10 to 12 at Hood River, Oregon. I'll be there as I'm in the Vancouver, BC, Canada area, so it's only 350 miles or so away. It should be fun as there's a show and shine, ralley/drive, and an autocross event. Here's the weblink,
http://www.minimeetwest.com/
Mini Meet East is June 28 to July 1 at Alcoa, Tennessee. I will not be attending that gathering as it's waaaaaay out of range! haha A similar line up of events compared to MMW2007 is planned. Here's the weblink,
http://www.mme2007.com/
http://www.minimeetwest.com/
Mini Meet East is June 28 to July 1 at Alcoa, Tennessee. I will not be attending that gathering as it's waaaaaay out of range! haha A similar line up of events compared to MMW2007 is planned. Here's the weblink,
http://www.mme2007.com/
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they aren't designed for high boost applications. Look how they fall off on pressure ratio. The charts don't even go above 2.0 (about 15 psi boost).
Also, the new TVS looks like it's only for high revs, but that's an impression of the scale. The R410 does just as good as the M45, but justs gets better and better at higher RPMs more like a turbo until it hits the wall. This sucker looks sweet! The M62 has a little softer fall off with boost than the 45 (that's good) and it will deliver the air to higher total flows, about 50% more.... But it's still not built for really high boosts. If the boost is too high with any of these, the IATs will skyrocket.
I'm sure this is just what the Tc car guys found before they started bolting on turbos. And it's the very same reasons why you take them off for peak power! The SC will be very, very nice with good low bite if you don't ask too much from it. Get those pressure ratios too high and it will be a pain to work with, and probably not worth the effort....
Matt
Also, the new TVS looks like it's only for high revs, but that's an impression of the scale. The R410 does just as good as the M45, but justs gets better and better at higher RPMs more like a turbo until it hits the wall. This sucker looks sweet! The M62 has a little softer fall off with boost than the 45 (that's good) and it will deliver the air to higher total flows, about 50% more.... But it's still not built for really high boosts. If the boost is too high with any of these, the IATs will skyrocket.
I'm sure this is just what the Tc car guys found before they started bolting on turbos. And it's the very same reasons why you take them off for peak power! The SC will be very, very nice with good low bite if you don't ask too much from it. Get those pressure ratios too high and it will be a pain to work with, and probably not worth the effort....
Matt
Handy charts Goaljnky,
Anybody in the Denver area with a 15% pulley? What do you see for boost a mile above sea level?
