Oops! I missed that. Thanks d00d.

rwilde: looks like the ratios are practically the same as the '05/'06 transmissions. Perhaps replacing the computer that controls the speed sensors with one from a later car will get your cruise back. Have you looked into it?

 

Too boring around here.

Time to bring back an old thread...

Now if anybody still doubts how different they are after Eric's quite accurate description. Here's a side by side picture.

If you want to see more, I will need a volunteer to host the pics...

 

BTW, The "gold" one is the Ford, if you can't make it up...

 

Thanks for the official closure Alain! I guess it will be going on ebay soon...

 

Cool. So, casings are different, which I figured, but any indication on the final drive gears themselves? They seem to be sold separately, at least they were when I inquired about this months ago...

 

Inside pics. Who said we're done yet?

 

So, they're basically the same inside with different cases? As I had been led to believe they might... OK, so, perhaps we'll get the chance to investigate further! Thanks, man!

 

So... the internals might be an option!

While the cost of this tranny is less, with the labor to swap gears, maybe the savings are moot?

A used '05/'06 MCS Tranny is about 1,700 to 2,100 bucks. A brand new one, a couple hundred or so more....

 

More pics. We actually put the project on ice as we had bigger fish to fry. Stay tuned (well don't be too impatient, it will be a while - hopefully - before we have everything apart again...)

 

Hmmm... Bigger fish to fry... care to share, elaborate? As you know, PM or email works also

 

But as I calculated before, the ratios would not be exactly the same...with Focus final drive gears, the ratios would end up somewhere in the middle between the 03/04 and 05/06.

For comparison, here's a pic of the Mini Speed final drive gears from their final drive reduction kit...




Cosmic Purple has these and started a thread abou them. The ratios are very short, though...shorter than the 04/05...and the gears cost nearly 1700 dollars I think! My thought with this thread was that DIY-ers, especially, might be able to say quite a lot of cash if they could order the Focus final drive gears themselves or take them out of a wrecked box. At this point, school has me bogged down, so I won't be able to invest the time to do this myself , but I'm happy that this may be a viable solution for someone . Best of luck, Mr. Propane!

 

I would love to get this idea going again as I am making some drivetrain decisions......

 

Peace SpiderX
What is it you would like to do? When we hear only what we want to hear to support what we already have decided then what is the point. I don't think anyone has made any headway with putting Ford tranny parts in the mini. I can tell you a little about the straight cut gears and many can give you their 05 + experience. If you really want more from the car, then you have to do something with the gearing or play with a tc/turbo. As you already know, the more mods, the more expensive the maintenance and the harder it is on the car. There can be a lot more wear on the car and gets even more costly to maintain. It would be interesting to see how far behind CosmicPurple the SpiderX M62 would trail. Peace!

 

I am interested in a cost effective way to get closer to the 06 gearing...(maybe impossible) I have driven several.... I hope you are doing well... this is not critical therefore I am in no hurry.... make plans for the Dragon in May...it would be great to see you again....

 

I am really confused here. If the M62 car makes so much more torque than a M45 why would you want lower gearing? What am I missing here? Didn't you say 5th pulled like 3rd?

 

yes it does...... the concept of wanting "more"

If I put an accelerometer in my car and measured 3rd pre M62 and then magically pushed a button and added the m62 and did the same adjusted test in 5th I doubt they would be the same but this was rather to give you an "impression" of the feel... not to be taken literally

 

I read somewhere that you needed a clutch and were considering adding a quaiffe. You may be able to find an 05 or 06 with a factory diff, though not as strong but would work out in terms of a diff and new tranny gears. I found prices between $1200 and $2400. I think your car would run well with the new gearing. There is only so much that can be dropped into increasing hp and torque without improving the ability to get it to the ground. Your acceleration would improve dramatically.

Also as far as clutches work out, i just switched to the spec 3+, which is much smoother than just the 3. The spec 2 didn't last vey long, so i wouldn't recommend that one.

 

Hi as a noob and a spanner wrangler I would just like to add my 3p to the pro/am flame trade I saw going on here,
1, the mini always was and still is a car that demands to be tuned, and to say this can only be done by trained professionals with thousands of dollers of equiptment would make dear old John Cooper roll in his grave.
2, When John and his Father Charles first cut two old fiats 500's in half and stuck a motorcycle engine onto it you think they were professionals?? they were backyard to the hilt.
Get over yourselves, there are great tuners who do a fantastic job of getting the most out of their engineering skills but there will always be the guy in the shed who will pop up with a giant killer.
This is the beating heart of what made the mini great and if only in respect to the Cooper family contribution to the world of motoring, never say that something can only ever be done by a professional.
Thanks for listening, rant over
05 checkmate
75 911s torn between two Krauts

 

any updates on this?

 

My last lil modified puppy happened to be a 2000 ford Focus so I was all over the boards at the time "Clubfocus.net and focaljet.com" It seem the concensus was the SVT ratio and the 4.06 upgrade in the regular MTX75 tranny both seemed too short/close for higher boosted applications 200ish if i remember correctly. but also note a boosted ford focus (Turbo) can boast = tq/hp numbers for example 250hp/220ftlbs. So our significantly less tq to hp may fair better still even with mods.

2 cents

Josh

 

Well aren't you full of yourself? If someone wants to take matters in his own hands on something as mundane as a car (appendix??? WTF??? not related to cars) let him do as he pleases. The only way to learn is to try and to possibly fail. "The only real failure in life is the failure to try." I suggest you back off. I have never heard of such behavior from another Mini enthusiast; you're attitude is the worst I have experienced in the entirety of the Mini community on NAM. Either change your attitude and let people try their hands at working on their own cars or find somewhere else to gloat about your "having rebuilt British, and American transmissions."

Sorry ya'll. Let's get back to this thread. I was really enjoying this!!!

 

Did you really reference a post 2 years old to say all that?

- Matt

 

baaaaahahahaha oops. Sorry, i was a tad careless

 

Wow noob, you really smooched the pooch here. If you do consider how the MINI tuning industry has developed, you'll find that jlm's attitude has been one of the best here on NAM, dating back to the beginning of the MINI's introduction to the US. Moreover, It's very likely that your car (if you have any mods) has something that he conceptualized, designed or manufactured on it. For example, do you have a pulley? You can thank him for it. He designed and manufactured the first supercharger reduction pulleys. He then sent those pulleys out to various vendors for inspection, hoping to sell them to one and all. Many of those vendors, no more than amateur enthusiasts, took the pulleys to their local machine shop and had them knocked off and re-branded as thier own. Despite this jlm continued to bring innovation and wisdom to the community, with good humor.

If you ever find yourself in NYC, make the time to visit his hospital-clean machining facility, and prepare to drop to your knees with the work that they do. Here are some expamles:



Yup, he was the first.



There's a little bit of engineering behind the walls to support those stairs.



go to www.productanddesign.com and start drooling.

 

what, do you think I live in the dark??? Besides, i'm upset at his non-supportive attitude. I don't really care what he designed or how much of a specialist he is. Let the non-specialist screw up his own car and don't get so defensive about it. Anyway that whole mess was two years ago. Let's just get back to the original topic of this thread, which I think had something to do with transmissions??? yeah