You of course forgot to include that I could percieve the variance in horsepower OF THE CAR, and that the software seems to be quite accurate.

You of all people should know that Math is Math and not voodoo

Thanks for trying to debunk me. What ever happened to you and your buddies saying "the onus of proof is on those that assert the positive"? Well, you're claiming the HAI does something, show us numbers that mean something!

 

Please show me the claims I made about the HP of the HAI.

 

So you don't deny the false implications you made that it makes power?

 

Anyhoo, I'm still happy with the HAI and haven't seen any credible data to suggest the Alta is better. My own measurements (as well as those that Cheese did) showed an improvement in air getting into the engine. Ryphile's "this PDA dyno isn't accurate but I will try to use it to sell parts" information is interesting, but I don't see how it is an accurate test.

 

ROFLMAO! No Andy, you measured an increase in boost pressure, not air weight. Anyhoo, who's this "Ryphile" guy, and why wouldn't he try to sell a ton of these cheap K&N filters versus only a few of the much more expensive ALTA CAI?

 

 

This isnt about your pseudo dyno analysis nor your opinion of the HAI, both of which are welcome and relevant to this thread. This is about your personal attack towards my integrity.

 

I'll thank you to stop posting personal attacks based on lies. Your speculation is wrong. Retract it now.

 

HAI: loses power over the ALTA CAI and Andy can't prove otherwise.

 

Ummm ... aren't you are the one claiming that it loses power? Where's your proof? The same method you used that showed a 10 hp variation between identical runs so you couldn't trust it? BTW, why haven't you replied to the Dispell the Myths thread?

 

Hey andy, how is his speculation wrong? Oh and it's not speculation, it's a real test with real results...I've seen it in person..Where's your test results? Mind if i see if there is other results you have?

 

I was referring to Ryephile's statement: "I have a feeling they've never posted dyno graphs because they've found the same thing I have; it's not what they were hoping"

That is speculation and ... as it turns out, wrong.

Anyway, if you don't believe that air pressure is a good gauge of airflow, you had better throw away the Siemens engine management system because it uses a MAP sensor (speed-density calculations) to determine airflow.

 

it may be speculation because they don't have datalogging capabilities? What kind of sensor do you use? I'm sure you could make something different to detect flow?

 

Let's take a page from the Andy-and-his-buddies book of logic: "The onus of proof is on those that assert the positive". Since Andy's already stated the HAI doesn't do a damn thing, he doesn't have to prove anything.

 

wow:smile:

 

Yep, you're right. I'll have to refund all of the money I made off it.

I'm off on vacation ... I'll post Ryephile's emails to me when I get back. That should be very enlightening indeed.

 

This is better than the lightning storm last night...including the blackout that followed:smile:

 

Do You Have Any Test Results? Do You Have Any Plans To Use A Different Sensor To Detect Things?

 

The best part was Ryephile going around the Dragon telling people he sent me "polite and professional" emails. Classic ... pure classic.

 

Explain please. What sort of sensor ... to detect what?

 

andy, you were complaining about the MAP sensor, but you won't tell me if you have any plans to create a different EMS system..or to use different sensors. We all know you work for a datalogging software company..You have to have some sort of idea what to do differently.

 

Nothing funnier than the faux-wolf actually crying wolf

 

I think you misunderstood me. Ryephile has contended that measuring air pressure is not a demonstration of airflow. Yet, MINI (and every other company that uses Speed-Density systems) has NO WAY OF MEASURING AIRFLOW other than using air pressure. Without the MAP sensor in the intake manifold, the engine has no clue how much air is coming in. This isn't necessarily a bad system, and it works pretty well. But it WOULDN'T work at all if what Ryephile is saying were true. Thankfully, he's wrong ... and our MINI's keep running.

Look, the HAI may very well make less power than the Alta. I haven't dyno'ed it so I don't know. Neither has Ryephile. What I do know is that the air pressure readings were better with the HAI compared to the Alta. Both offered a measurable improvement over stock ... the HAI was just a little better. Again, contrary to Ryephile's "feeling" neither macncheese nor I did any dynos comparing the two.

 

Bingo! Active admission that what you measured may not have a direct correlation to actual output power.

 

Now why dont we all just hug and go buy and AGS...