Drivetrain (Cooper S) MINI Cooper S (R53) intakes, exhausts, pulleys, headers, throttle bodies, and any other modifications to the Cooper S drivetrain.

Drivetrain FREE Horsepower from a roll of duct tape

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 21, 2003 | 09:23 AM
  #26  
bbmykal's Avatar
bbmykal
4th Gear
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 481
Likes: 0
From: Chicago, IL (Skokie)
Are there any updates to this? just curious....
I have a G-Tech maybe I can run my own test...
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 08:03 AM
  #27  
macncheese's Avatar
macncheese
6th Gear
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,816
Likes: 2
From: New Jersey


data from OBDII Pocketlogger on a road test.

--
Cheese

 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 08:45 AM
  #28  
greatgro's Avatar
greatgro
6th Gear
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,359
Likes: 1
From: New Jersey
Thanks. That ends that debate.
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 08:54 AM
  #29  
RandyBMC's Avatar
RandyBMC
Temporarily Banned
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 3,382
Likes: 2
From: Denver
Or does it? It does seem that the peak boost is slightly higher...
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 09:19 AM
  #30  
mikehome1's Avatar
mikehome1
3rd Gear
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 218
Likes: 0
From: cincinnati oh
Randy have you tried this?further is there any downside,especially in hot weather.
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 09:23 AM
  #31  
Azwed's Avatar
Azwed
5th Gear
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 644
Likes: 0
Peak boost looks slightly higher but on average it looks lower.
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 09:32 AM
  #32  
Nomonstersinme's Avatar
Nomonstersinme
5th Gear
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 834
Likes: 0
From: new york and providence (for school)
>>That's the nice thing about Darksilver, standard duct tape is a great match.
>>
>>R

i have a bright blue duct tape that would go very well with electric blue minis..
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 09:33 AM
  #33  
RandyBMC's Avatar
RandyBMC
Temporarily Banned
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 3,382
Likes: 2
From: Denver
I think it is bogus to be honest. I do have it on my car though, as it is practically free. What this came out of was some dyno testing. The flow is so restrictive when doing closed bonnet dyno testing, that when taping the area off, it provided slightly more air - enough to boost the horsepower slightly. The dyno is such a tricky tool that any small change may make a deceiving and false gain. That's probably what we have here.

The downside is that the cabin is a little stuffy with the environmental system turned off all together. As long as you have the fan blowing, it doesn't seem to matter one way or the other.

Hope that helps!

Randy
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 09:40 AM
  #34  
Davbret's Avatar
Davbret
Thread Starter
|
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,258
Likes: 0
From: Portland OR

>>The downside is that the cabin is a little stuffy with the environmental system turned off all together. As long as you have the fan blowing, it doesn't seem to matter one way or the other.


Could you elaborate on this? I was driving around with my partner the other day and he was complaining about warm air coming out of the vents when nothing was on. So this is the cause??

R

 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 09:44 AM
  #35  
RandyBMC's Avatar
RandyBMC
Temporarily Banned
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 3,382
Likes: 2
From: Denver
This does seem to be the cause, though honestly I can't explain why. You get warm air through the vents with nothing on, but as soon as you turn the fan or AC on, it goes away.
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 09:55 AM
  #36  
Mini2Go's Avatar
Mini2Go
Coordinator :: Pitt Stop MINI
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 2,919
Likes: 1
From: Steelers Country
R - do you have the ACC?

I don't know for sure if it is the same with the manual AC controls, but there have been numerous discussions regarding the warm air that comes out of the vents when the ACC is supposedly off. The solution is supposed to be to turn down the temp control before turning the system off. It might work similarly with the standard controls also.

I'd at least try this before ripping out the duct tape - just to see.
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 10:20 AM
  #37  
macncheese's Avatar
macncheese
6th Gear
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,816
Likes: 2
From: New Jersey
Difference in peak readings were 176 kPa stock to 177kPa with the tape. Thats 10.82PSI to 10.97PSI. Note the resolution of the stock readings.


--
Cheese

 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 10:33 AM
  #38  
Davbret's Avatar
Davbret
Thread Starter
|
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,258
Likes: 0
From: Portland OR
I've got AutoClimate. I'll try that trick. Thanks.

R
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 10:50 AM
  #39  
Minae's Avatar
Minae
2nd Gear
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
Yeah, but in the band where you're likely to do most of your driving, 3000-5000 RPM, un-taped seems to be a bit higher for the most part.

No tape under my hood. I may start playing with blocks of ice however...
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 11:31 AM
  #40  
Daytona955i's Avatar
Daytona955i
4th Gear
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 413
Likes: 0
From: Dublin, NH
>>R - do you have the ACC?
>>
>>I don't know for sure if it is the same with the manual AC controls, but there have been numerous discussions regarding the warm air that comes out of the vents when the ACC is supposedly off. The solution is supposed to be to turn down the temp control before turning the system off. It might work similarly with the standard controls also.
>>
>>I'd at least try this before ripping out the duct tape - just to see.

Yeah, try turning it all the way down to "LO" and the heat should go away. Works for me. (I have the ACC)
-Chris
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 12:21 PM
  #41  
friedduck's Avatar
friedduck
4th Gear
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 587
Likes: 0
Is this tongue-in-cheek? The two runs look identical save for the normal variance you see between any two dyno runs.

I actually tried it for grins when the report first came out. Only thing that I noticed was that when I took the tape back off, water came out. I don't think I'd leave it on there lest it cause rust!

Besides, if you really want to add power cheaply, stickers are definitely the way to go.

Jeff
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 07:11 PM
  #42  
SB's Avatar
SB
6th Gear
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,010
Likes: 0
From: Huntsville, Alabama
I think friedduck may be on to something. Maybe the standard duct tape is limiting the full potential of this mod. Has anyone put a manufacturers sticker and put over the holes instead of using duct tape? That may increase hp even more. If it does then Randy could start selling us Mini-Motorsport stickers.
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 10:04 PM
  #43  
BrtshRceGr's Avatar
BrtshRceGr
1st Gear
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 24
Likes: 0
From: Cleveland, Ohio
>>I think friedduck may be on to something. Maybe the standard duct tape is limiting the full potential of this mod. Has anyone put a manufacturers sticker and put over the holes instead of using duct tape? That may increase hp even more. If it does then Randy could start selling us Mini-Motorsport stickers.


I'm afraid ya'll are not seeing the trees for the forest. The ULTIMATE performance modification is the placement of perfomance stickers over the holes!!!!! A dyno test of the benefits of, perhaps, the required NOS sticker, a MOMO decal, and perhaps a Type-R emblem for good measure is forthcoming. This will undoubtedly create the baddest MCS around!!!

Brian
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 10:18 PM
  #44  
minimonkeygrrl's Avatar
minimonkeygrrl
3rd Gear
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 257
Likes: 0
From: Venice Beach, CA
As my friend always said:
"muffwer fie inch wound, mar bro sticker on frownt make car go fass"
 
Reply
Old Apr 26, 2003 | 07:09 PM
  #45  
MINI-S's Avatar
MINI-S
2nd Gear
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 65
Likes: 0
Just finished my Duck Tape mod, but didn't seem to get the same results the rest of you got. Did I do it wrong?



_________________
'02 E Blue/White MCS

- I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be.
 
Reply
Old Apr 26, 2003 | 07:39 PM
  #46  
Nobull60's Avatar
Nobull60
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,656
Likes: 0
From: Cooper City, Fl
Very good !!!!


 
Reply
Old Apr 26, 2003 | 09:23 PM
  #47  
macncheese's Avatar
macncheese
6th Gear
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,816
Likes: 2
From: New Jersey
>>Just finished my Duct Tape mod, but didn't seem to get the same results the rest of you got. Did I do it wrong?
>>

Your duck isnt metric.


 
Reply
Old Apr 27, 2003 | 04:06 PM
  #48  
crewbus's Avatar
crewbus
1st Gear
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 28
Likes: 0
From: Levittown, Pa
duct tape! how stupid! how can this do anything! ,,,,, BTW, I found some chili red duct tape, it looks great!
 
Reply
Old Apr 27, 2003 | 04:11 PM
  #49  
EliteCooperS's Avatar
EliteCooperS
5th Gear
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,004
Likes: 0
so wats the verdict? any downsides to this? ACC blowing out hot air? summer time?

any info about the debate?
 
Reply
Old Apr 28, 2003 | 04:17 PM
  #50  
MiniRyno's Avatar
MiniRyno
1st Gear
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
From: Los Angeles
Free or not, there's no performance increase in this tape job...

Of course, this is just my opinion! :smile:
 
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:38 AM.