Ram,

What secret ingredient does your software have that the Shark doesn't to allow such a fast upload, i.e. different compiler...?

Thanks,
SMKKVK
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>>Dear SMKKVK,
>>
>>Thank you for your post. We haven't done any comparisons with the Shark on a performance level. If you are happy with your Shark, there's little reason you should change it!
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>>The only comment We'd make is that the OneClick takes 2 minutes to upload programs to the car as opposed to 20 minutes which significantly reduces the possibility of errors when programming.
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>>Best wishes,
>>
>>Ram

 

>>Ram,
>>
>>What secret ingredient does your software have that the Shark doesn't to allow such a fast upload, i.e. different compiler...?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>SMKKVK


The only way to find out is to buy one (shark) and test it - I don't anticipate doing that!

The answer to your question is that I don't know, but bearing in mind the OneClick programs in approximately a tenth of the time of the shark, I don't believe it's for us to do the research (I don't mean that arrogantly or disrespectfully)!

Best wishes,

Ram

 

Hey Ram,

Where does the Cooper OneClick stand (non-S)? Has that been worked as hard as the S version? Is it worthwhile with just an intake and cat-back? The charts on your web page seem to reflect just that. Anything you can add?

 

Hi John,

Here's some cut and pasted testimonials on the Cooper & ONE - Member names are from the Mini2 forum.

The Cooper & ONE code has been given the almost same level of attention as the Supercharged cars which are more complex.


Irlmin
MINI2 Newbie

Hi ,
I had 'One Click' fitted in August and continue to be amazed ,my ONE is much smoother and responsive and over 4000 rpm just flies ,I got mine from AMD technik who developed it and I can recomend these guys highly ,power is impressive and hp/£ it cant be beaten ,go ahead you won't be dissapointed .
Gerard

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midlife mini
A Rich Womans Plaything

I have a one click. Very simple to use and very effective, though I have 2 non standard maps on mine.

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Manx Bean
MINI2 Regular

I just got my one click today and fitted it. What a difference! Feels smoother through the rev range and hits 3500/4000rpm and takes off! As for telling about the insurance?I thought thats the idea of a one click. Restore the standard map when it gets sent to the dealers just in case, or should you be unfortunate enough to have your car checked by insurance assessors. Again, when it comes to resale you have the choice of telling some one or not.

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mcldan10
MINI2 Newbie

Have just ordered the One-Click ECU upgrade from http://www.coolnew.co.uk £408 incl VAT and P&P so will post my thoughts on the performance after I get it

I did speak to my local superchips reseller first but was not that impressed. They had no rolling road which I would have expected for the extra cash and there would have been a charge every time the map needed returning to standard. I know a lot of people have great service from superchips but I want to keep the Mini warranty and think the One-Click is the most conveniant way.

Can't wait

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mcldan10
MINI2 Newbie

Now have my MINI back with new 16" X-Lite alloys and the AMD OneClick chip, WOW

The smaller alloys make quite a bit of difference on the ride quality, downside being there seems a little bit more role on corners. The chip however is amazing and worth every penny, it feels like a completely different car. There is more low down torque below 2000rpm so no more worries pulling off the mark, 2-4k rpm feels a bit quicker but the real difference is at 4.5k rpm Before my MINI One pretty much died at 4.5k rpm but now this is where it really pulls and keeps pulling upto 6.5k rpm espeically in 2nd gear it can take you by surprise.

I've spent the whole day putting the car through it's paces and haven't stopped smiling, surprised a few boy racers too I had a 220 bhp coupe before my MINI and a chip was inevitable to keep me happy and i'm not dissapointed.

It 's a simple procedure to revert the chip back to standard only takes 5 mins, so am pleased I chose this over the Superchip as I should have no dealer worries.

Happy Days

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Hi jegaboo,

Yes the chip is an improvement in all gears but 2nd is the most noticable. Previously it took ages to get to 100mph now it's no prob, already had 110mph (private road of course )

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Well B.C (Before Chip) I would get 290 miles out of a tank aprox 33mpg I think I will check consumption this week and let you know the diff I don't think it will be good though 'cos I like to drive fast and it's all mainly urban.

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chughes163
MINI2 Muppet

The difference is subtle-more powerful throughout rev range-seems more torque low down and much smoother espically over 5000 rpm. Not sure yet about MPG but the car is definatly more responsive and yes when paying £12000 on a fairly well specced one the £400 is not a big issue really-save up it is worth it!!

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Irlmin
MINI2 Newbie

I have had 'One Click' in my ONE since August and have covered 10000 miles and no problems and transformation was and is amazing . no change in fuel compsumption , I had mine from AMD and found these guys excellent .

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Porkchop
MINI2 Newbie

I'd go for the AMD software update!! I bought mine from mini-design and John Sanders there was very helpfull



Best wishes,

Ram

 

I am curious how software can fix the fluttering acceleration caused by the bypass valve having a poor spring design. Can you just tell the valve to take the blue pill, and reach out to the apparent physical world to make the valve behave properly, in essence just by asserting "there is no valve"?

Pardon the Matrix allusions here, but software is not going to fix what is truly a physical problem with no connection to the computer whatsoever. It may somehow compensate for it slightly, but it cannot flow down the vacuum line to force the recalcitrant by-pass valve to act within the design constraints of the supercharged motor. Thats what the highly technical yet digitally minimal zip-tie accomplishes on the actuator arm of the valve.

I'll buy into the driveability and slight performance gains, but please save snake-oil salesmanship for other less educated venues. I have gone from considering the One-click as an option for my inbound 19% pulley to impatient waiting for the GIAC, mostly due to the comments I have read in this thread.

 

I think if you read the Yoyo -chronicles through to the end you will see that despite tracing the problem to the spring there is speculation by Ryan and friends that the fix from BMW will be a software one.

emerika

 

>>Hi John,
>>
>>Here's some cut and pasted testimonials on the Cooper & ONE - Member names are from the Mini2 forum.
>>
>>The Cooper & ONE code has been given the almost same level of attention as the Supercharged cars which are more complex.
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>>Best wishes,
>>
>>Ram

Thanks Ram. I think I'll move this up my wish list to right behind the exhaust.

 

[tangent]
2Cool and emerika are both correct - the bypass valve is the actual culprit for the Yo-Yo, however the crappy ECU software doesn't help either. I wish I had a better idea what MINI Engineering is baking up in the lab - I have no idea if the fix will be mechanical, software, or both.
[/tangent]

I agree 2Cool - if AmD was more realistic with their advertising claims, they would get more props and not so much skepticism. That said, since the One and Cooper don't have the aforementioned issue (the Yo-Yo), I'm sure the product is excellent for the price-point.

Regards,
Ryan

 

AmD-Ram® wrote:
If you are referring to me, I believe that I told both you and Scott that your software does not work in my car. You gave me an F00NST file. I need a G00NST file. Those are the first six digits of the DME code. The two are not interchangeable - a no-start condition results from a mismatch. The former is the v.32-v.34 version (which I used to have), the latter is the v.35-v.36 version (which I have now, and had at the time you have visited). I believe I gave you a copy of my stock file, if not I'd be happy to do so.

 

>>Pardon the Matrix allusions here, but software is not going to fix what is truly a physical problem with no connection to the computer whatsoever. It may somehow compensate for it slightly, but it cannot flow down the vacuum line to force the recalcitrant by-pass valve to act within the design constraints of the supercharged motor. Thats what the highly technical yet digitally minimal zip-tie accomplishes on the actuator arm of the valve.
>>

I wouldn't be so sure of software not being able to fix it. Though I doubt AMD's 1-click actually fixes it, it will most likely be a software fix from BMW that does correct it. As Ryan has listed several times in the Yo-Yo Chronicles, the Yo-Yo is an oscillation of the bypass valve and the servo (which is controlled by software). If the PID control Siemens made is not robust enough, it is very possible that this hardware shortcoming (probably tolerance variation in the spring stiffness) could be fixed by changing the control algorithm. Since software is "free" it will always be the first choice for correction by BMW before a spring redesign.

 

Well well well
Its good to see the level of curiosity generated here on the AMD 1-click!! Thanks for putting in a good word for me Ram :smile: Although AMD is new on the Map to the US, I must give big praise to Ram and AMD on their tuning capabilities. I have a heavily modified Audi S4 that has been very difficult to tune and now thanks to AMD's expertise, will most likely be one of the fastest in the country. So that said, I have no doubts in my mind that they can get more power from a mildly modified Mini. So lets see what happens when I get on a dyno in a few weeks, I have a feeling the results will be a nice surprise.

P.S. Lets get to the bottom of the YO-YO effect, I'd like to hear what Ryan and anyone else who is a "yoyo master" has to say about what defines this problem.

 

I find it hilarious how so many people are skeptical of AMD claims, without ever taking the time to do a little research in to their background. It's quite comical.
You're doubting claims based on the findings of an individual, who decided he was going to troubleshoot his problem and now thinks he has narrowed it down to a mehanical or software problem, or possibly both???? You're kidding me, right? No disrespct intended, but c'mon these guys have how many years under their belts? Do some research and find out before you just antagonize these vendors. I wonder if you would do the same if Dinan made the same claims? I seriously doubt it for most of you. Type their name in to Google and I'm sure you'd come up with a wealth of information to help you determine if they're for real. You guys could have already dropped the money on this product and been more than happy with. Instead you act as if you're waiting for this magical pot of gold to appear and do nothing but **** of vendors in the meantime.

 

Since when is a customer before-and-after dyno equivalent to a pot of gold? I've never seen a pot of gold on sale for under $100, whereas most dyno shops would be happy to oblige for that price.

 

Nope, I believe Rye for one reason... I have tried his solution, and it worked. Simple scientific method at work. So I don't give a rat's sphincter for a vendor claim thats unproven, regardless of their reputation. Prove it. Rye has, so can't AmD with their "how many years under their belts" do the same? All I see here is a blatant marketing effort. Maybe I am taking too narrow of a view; if so, enlighten me. A software fix will be compensation and smoothing, rather than a complete cure. MINIusa may do it as a cheap fix, but that doesn't make it right.

I am sticking with my zip-tie till something comes along that is proven to work better.

 

>>I am sticking with my zip-tie till something comes along that is proven to work better.

Ryan's second fix has already proven better. Just stiffening the spring has the same effect and doesn't affect the gas mileage as badly.

 

True... but I have no source for winding my own stiffer spring, plus my mileage is actually 2mpg better with the zip tie than before... heh.

 

[more tangent]
My fuel mileage has improved about 10% since I had a fresh ECU put in (didn't effect the Yo-Yo though :smile:

 

>>Nope, I believe Rye for one reason... I have tried his solution, and it worked.>>

What proof did you have before you tried this? Dyno possibly? User reviews? If it was the latter,
then why not give the One-click a try based on the same. From what I've seen, they have tried
to prove it, however, it's never good enough for certain people. They even offered to let
people use it for free and prove them wrong, but I still haven't seen anything that someone
actually tried it.

>>Maybe I am taking too narrow of a view; if so, enlighten me.>>
I think you are, but it's not for me to enlighten you. I also think RAM has done more than enough enlightening, but like I said, sometimes it's never enough. Just do some research, outside of Northamericanmotoring, and see what you find. Again, I don't think you guys would be saying the same to a well known US company, then again, they wouldn't probably go down to this level of communication only to be hammered.

The reference to the pot of gold was referring to people waiting for this magical ECU to arrive. IMO, the AMD is exceptionally priced, offfers great flexibility, has great users reviews and comes from a reputable company. How much more do you want?

I know, I know, a dyno that is approved by _________?

 

Lets admit the truth. GIAC is customer driven just like any other company. If the customer base was larger we would already have the ECU upgrade. I have the One Click on order. Can't wait Happy Saint Patricks

 

Hi Ryan,

I'm in the UK now - if you want to jump on a plane, we can both go to BMW HQ in Cowley - 10 miles down the road from AmD, speak to our contacts and have a chat.

Just get a ticket - We'll put you up.

Also, what data do you want to see? If we post dynos, you're skeptical because they're not independent, when customers like GunmetalSRacer post positive things, you knock them.

What exactly do you want to see from us?

JBOO,
Thanks for your support!

2Cool,
if you're fixed and happy, we're happy for you. If you want to criticise the OneClick, that's your perogative, but I'd strongly suggest you experience one before you do so as without testing one, you have very little foundation.

AmD invested around $130K in research on the Mini alone. Ryan?

Best wishes,

Ram

 

Sorry Andy,

Not you - but I never considered you a critic!

I'll work something out for you on your code if you feel you can help us with some testing!

Best wishes,

Ram

 

>>AmD invested around $130K in research on the Mini alone. Ryan?

Just because you spend that much on research doesn't mean that if Ryan spends 10k or less that his findings is less creditable then yours does it? If Ryan was able to find the source of the Yo-Yo effect not using upwards of $130K then I'm sure you would hire him in a second or anyone else who is able to do this. It is not how much you spend on the problem.


tony

 

Who is "Mr. S" ?

 

$130K on the MINI alone?

Color me dubious. How many $399 One Clicks would you need to sell to cover that development cost with the profit on each unit? Doesn't seem like a financially sound investment.

As for the statement that if it was a US tuner I would have a different opinion. Nope. No clue who Dinan is, actually. Have only heard of GIAC since reading this board. Uni-chip I had reference to from owning my Evo 8, but there wasn't very good feedback on them from that time.

Has nothing to do with reputations or marketing claims, I am merely giving my opinion based on what I am reading here, and everyone has a right to their opinion. I just like playing devil's advocate when I see something that looks kooky. So color me dubious, with a shade of cynical border.

Oh yes, who the heck is the mysterious "Mr. S"?

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>>$130K on the MINI alone?
>>
>>Color me dubious. How many $399 One Clicks would you need to sell to cover that development cost with the profit on each unit? >>
A 1000 would make quite a profit. I also think theyget more than $399 from outside the US. I'm sure the investment cost includes the Mini One and Cooper as well, but it's easy to see the investment is sound.

>>No clue who Dinan is, actually. Has nothing to do with reputations or marketing claims, I am merely giving my opinion based on what I am reading here, and everyone has a right to their opinion. I just like playing devil's advocate when I see something that looks kooky. So color me dubious, with a shade of cynical border.
>>
Maybe it wouldn't look so kooky if you did some research first, especially outside of this forum. That's all I'm saying.

Check out how this AMD tuned car performed here:

Dyno Day

I'd rather you try it, then complain. Instead of casting doubts when you have no intention of buying.

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