Is the addition of a head an issue with emissions? I'm thinking of adding a head to my 02 S, along with cam, meth, pulley and wondered if this would be issue with emissions.

 

Shouldn't be a problem. There is really no way they can tell that you have changed out the head, they are not going to take it off and measure stuff

 

How do you get yours passed in Ca with all the goodies you have? I'm in Wa and all they do is plug in under the dash to look for any "codes" and check the gas cap and the probe up the exhaust. I've heard it's a nightmare in Ca?

 

The only thing that does not look OEM on my car is the CAI and the header. I will reinstall both my OEM intake and header for the test, then put them back on

 

Wow that seems like a lot of work to pass emissions! Well i guess the intake is pretty easy to uninstall and install but to do the header as well. How often do you have to get it done? once a year?

 

The best way to find out how to or what you can do to pass is grab a few mod'd MINI's in your state.. and see what your emission level is for your car.. then go from there, yes?

Also maybe the TUNER in these emission states are tuning for correct emission levels?? Visual inspection is a hard thing to pass... if it aint stock, IT aint stock. just a thought here..

just me..........................

Thumper

PS: when I was on the left coast... anything done had to pass the sniffer test!! With the TUNE as well, or the shop that DID the work was liable for a HUGE fine!! This is a good QUESTION>> other than a shifty shop on Emission Passes... how do they do it??

 

THUMPER460, anything obvious to inspector with the Thumper heads? LOL, you haven't been to my part of the country have you? Not that many Minis on the eastern side of Washington, let alone modded ones. Over on the west (wet) side there may be but nobody wants to head that way after being in the peace and quiet of eastern Wa.

 

you mean like the one that made even less on a dynapak?

 

Why colder sparkplugs? I know nothing about this topic... any time I've replaced plugs, I just buy whatever the service manual recommends.

 

this might help: http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/techinf...stallation.asp

 

Emissions are a BIG thing.. I dont test emissions here in the Sunshine State, so I could not answer the emission question. From work with Heads on emission V8's ( Ford and Chevy) , it isnt the Heads that cause issue , it is the cam and other factors. On the MINI cams and Head... I have not heard one way or the other on the Emissions test after install. Maybe Mike Mynes could shed some insight on the emissions... Ca. has the most stringent.. yes?

As for "Visual Check" the Head is a STOCK Head... so NO Inspector can see anything different from the out side!! The Cams ( so Far) dont give off a ruff radical idle and unless he pull the engine apart... he will never know you have changed that either.... BUT the "Sniffer"? what about that Mike??

Just me................................

Thumper

PS.. wanna be the first on the east coast of Wa?? You have a PM>
Tpr

 

Outperforms..........

Hard to "outperfrom" when you are only talking about a few HP........

 

Well for the price and performance...it did outperform the rest, didnt it?
and if ure anything like the hardcore racers in the UK...a few HP means winning and losing...

just trying to help..well, the fact of the matter is that it is the best CAI in the market today and it is also the cheapest....

 

I've posted ad nausem about inlet temps and how to keep them lower as this is the key

people just don't get it
our cars go faster with more stock parts on them

since a "few" hp are worth winning and losing..... why did you go with parts that are known to produce less hp then?

 

ermmm what parts are you talking about Jan? as you already know, im not a racer..i just use my car as a DD and like the occasional power under my belt..so...for me, low-mid torque is key...okay, lets recap my current mods...

- Cyl Head: Makes more low-mid torque/HP then RMWs head and its cheaper (FACT)
- Header: Made more torque/HP then RMWs shorties and its cheaper (FACT)
- Camshaft: showed similar gains like Newmans and its cheaper (Un-confirmed)
- CAI - So-So (Didnt do research when I bought it - I have the Alta V2 CAI btw)
- Catback - Well, I have the Borla Race..need I say more?
- Meth Kit - Gains Similar to Aquamist when untuned and its cheaper (FACT)
- Custom Tune (soon) - well definitely better then RMWs/ pricings - n/a (FACT)
- Injectors (soon) - larger then RMWs offering/ pricings - n/a (FACT)
- TM Intercooler - the best TMIC in the world (FACT)

So Jan, I think ive chosen quite well dont you think?

 

I am sorry, but there is no way a K&N filter in the stock box is going to perfrom "better" than the stock or more importantly an aftermarket CAI.

 

I dunno bout that, here are the results from UK:

JCW With GRS FMIC
Boost - 13.9
Ambient Temps 20c

Hybrid With GRS FMIC
Boost 14.1
Ambient Temps 20c

xxxx was running "The Hybrid" at the track with out any problems. When compared to the Alta it gained 0.6PSI and was running 3c lower.

 

THanks for posting that......... I can now save it for the laugh file

I have more data than anyone out there......... your FACTS are based on what someone else told you. ROFLMAO

We have dyno'd more Mini's than ANYONE................PERIOD
a small valve head has never made more torque than our BV head with OUR parts on it. It just doesn't happen as ours was designed as a system from the start.

When you come out of your stupor, go check the RACING forum and see who is setting all the records out there and WHOSE parts they are using.
Racers use what is going to get them to the finish line first. This isn't a popularity contest.

Headers.... same thing... look above

Cams... even better...... you swapped a winning cam for one that is barely bigger than stock.... another fact you know nothing about. Why? Because you took someone's word for it instead of someone who has rolled them.

meth kit...... again area under the curve is what wins races....keep believing your "source" and if you don't believe me ask a professional driver like Ian...... he had a competitors meth kit before ours......NO COMPARISON in racing

having bigger injectors than what are needed are a waste, then why doesn't Mini start with 550cc injectors?. Keep believing and we will keep laughing all the way to the winners circle

as for tuning, again........check out who the guys setting records and winning races are using.......ALSO.... ASK THEM WHO THEY USED BEFORE RMW......... I don't need to say anymore

your "facts" are nothing more than hearsay yet to be proven in real racing

so post away with your "facts" and be sure to show real data, not something you heard from someone else.

It's not "cheap" to buy race winning parts..... much R&D has gone into it but in the long run "cheap" is usually the expensive way to go.

 

clap...clap...clap...there you go again Jan...yapping as usual..

first of all my friend..all the things i said was not from hearsay..its from Dyno data from NAM and other mini forums...well, lemme re-iterate

a. The cylinder head
- The head im installing did make more low/mid HP then RMWs (you know it Jan..and dont try to deny it)
- a car with this head beat a RMW car's 1320 times
- a car with this head (plus nitrous) went 0-62miles in 3.8 secs - So the head can take some punishing..no problems
- Dunno what head Ian is using in his race car

conclusion: this head works!!! and its cheaper

b. Headers
- A dyno chart here in NAM showed that even the stock headers yielded more power compared to the RMW shorties
- a car with this header beat a RMW car's 1320 times
- the header im using has never lit my engine light once
- Ian is using the Race headers right? so....no comment

conclusion: this header works!!! and its cheaper

c. Camshaft
- Everyone using this cam had great things to say about it..destroyed the more expensive Shrick cam
- Easy of the drivetrain
- cheaper option
- Dont need to tune to make it work properly
- DAVE CROWER - need I say more?
- Dont know what cam Ian is using in his race car - Newman Race cam?

conclusion: this camshaft works!!! and its cheaper

I can go on and on and on Jan...but the fact of the matter is this...not everyone is a racer like Ian and I would say most of us dont need RACE ITEMS that RMW is offering for a DD....

my conclusion: Im not saying RMW parts are bad...Im just saying that I DONT NEED expensive RMW RACING parts to make power for my Daily Driver car. Why spend more on racing parts when Im not racing? And we all know for a fact that RMWs street parts are not that great..So, hence my parts Jan...Ive gone with the best street parts that I can afford...

(P.S. and I have a strong suspicion that the suspension setup and the driver himself has got more to do with the records then RMW parts...however I congratulate Ian for setting these records.)

 

A couple things:

1. Jan, so you are actually casting and forging valves and retainers and springs now? Just asking because you did say, "OUR" parts?

2. So Jan, you have "rolled" more cams than "Crower cams"?

 

Wait wait wait. Don't even begin to quote 0-62 times. With any car running sub 5 seconds 0-62mph HP, Torque etc etc etc are somewhat meaningless. 1st gear in my car was virtually worthless after only a pulley install.... and that's with Hoosiers.
0-60 times are WAY WAY WAY to dependent on traction, surface, tires etc etc. Here's a wee note. Our 530whp 911 GT2 never did better then 4.1 0-60 on my traqmate data during the one lap of america. That was launching at the start finish line on various different tracks. However same car at the drag strip first time ever launching it I ran a 1.8 60/ft (street 140+ treadware tires) and did a 11.7 @ 122mph. Nissan GTR that darn near ran 10's at the drag strip was only doing 4.6 second 0-60's at most of the tracks with standing starts.
So 3.8 0-62 ... yeah, On a cold day, at a drag strip, with VHT on the surface and drag radials. I don't care if a mini made 700whp it isn't going sub 4.0 without some sort of other contributing factor.

What was the 3rd gear 60-90 mph time? because that's more important on a race track.

 

What was the 3rd gear 60-90 mph time? because that's more important on a race track.
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Pure and simple.....

 

people just don't get it
our cars go faster with more stock parts on them


You mean the high priced BMW engineers aren't complete idiots after all?

 

Are you really sure you know what you are talking about. I don't want to start a tuning **** match with you. I would like to help you understand the real reason for bigger injectors for the MINI and also why MINI didn't use them in the first place.

1. First I don't think MINI/BMW thought we will would be extracting this much power out of these 1.6 liters with that supercharger for one.

2. Now if someone have told you, or even yourself have went through the code, then you would see why you would want to have a bigger injector to keep the milliseconds (pulsewidth) down and what it affects other parameters.

3. Do you understand about injector pulse and how much time you have to inject fuel at 6000 RPM compared to 2000 RPM. Do you know the max pulsewidth to inject fuel at 85 percent duty cycle at 6000RPM? Trust me, looking at 380-to 450cc are the edge if any other compensations have to kick in at 6000 RPM due to Air temp and Knock correction.

4. A tip for you and everyone, once you pulsewidth reaches to abot 19.4 ms (milliseconds) the ECU goes and lookup another routine and it affect ignition timing and you would notice the engine starts to lean out at higher RPMs. With 550cc scaled properly it's close to that (ms) and the ECU doesn't even lookup that function in the first place.

So you can take this post as a negative or a positive. It's your choice.

 

and why didn't MINI start with a 2.0L? or a Jesus head? or a upgraded cam? slippery slope