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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 11:34 AM
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Great results - what engine mods are on your car?
hope octaneguy doesn't mind me answering the question eh eh
16% pulley cai detroit bypass valve, exhaust...
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 11:43 AM
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Cool - thanks. I'm hoping to see results at some point for a non-pullied car so I can see how the gains will compare to the cost.
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 11:46 AM
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The results look great! Is Jan working on tuning R56's yet?
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 12:14 PM
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How about a Colorado Visit Jan?!
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 02:04 PM
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The results look great! Is Jan working on tuning R56's yet?
What's an R56 .

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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 02:18 PM
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Thanks! I talked to Jan about larger injectors but he didn't recommend them for my situation, but one day when I get a head--after this feeling wears off and I need even more power, lol, which hopefully won't be for awhile.

Definitely. Definitely the best bang for the buck!
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Congratulations . That's a really nice increase that I'm sure you can feel. It really changes the car when you get over 200.

Is it the best bang for the buck or what?

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Here's what my graph looks like.



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hope octaneguy doesn't mind me answering the question eh eh
16% pulley cai detroit bypass valve, exhaust...
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 02:25 PM
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Super hot.
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 03:27 PM
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2 more in the 240+whp club
charts to follow
 

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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 03:29 PM
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Ok, first Let me say that I'm not trying to cause any hard feelings or any dramma. I'm Just trying to understand how a dynapack works. I see that Jan dyno'd both cars in this thread at 4.61 gaer ratio but, The guy's at Alta uses 4.1 ratio and I used a dynapack two weeks ago and they used 4.1 ratio.
Why would that ratio change when it's the same type of transmision and car being dyno'd . Doesn't the higher 4.61 ratio yeld a higher dyno number?
any answers that help me understand will be greatly appreciated
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 03:33 PM
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Richard

Very nice. The best part is the extra TQ.

I still need to bring you my car. I'm hammered until the middle of January so I will call you around then.

Man you did a nice Job on my Buddy's kid's Miata. He is home from collage for the holidays and was shocked at how nice the paint looked .

Thanks!

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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 03:34 PM
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Just so everyone is clear, I have most of Jans stuff on my car and he tuned my car
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 03:38 PM
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No problem. This month is slower for work which is nice cause it's so freakin cold!!! LOL. Thanks for the compliments on the Miata. Yeah that was a fun one.
Originally Posted by Longboard Mini
Very nice. The best part is the extra TQ.

I still need to bring you my car. I'm hammered until the middle of January so I will call you around then.

Man you did a nice Job on my Buddy's kid's Miata. He is home from collage for the holidays and was shocked at how nice the paint looked .

Thanks!

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As Jan would say, it's the Delta that matters. I think the year had something to do with it--both of our MINI's are 2005's. But that's about as much as I know.

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Ok, first Let me say that I'm not trying to cause any hard feelings or any dramma. I'm Just trying to understand how a dynapack works. I see that Jan dyno'd both cars in this thread at 4.61 gaer ratio but, The guy's at Alta uses 4.1 ratio and I used a dynapack two weeks ago and they used 4.1 ratio.
Why would that ratio change when it's the same type of transmision and car being dyno'd . Doesn't the higher 4.61 ratio yeld a higher dyno number?
any answers that help me understand will be greatly appreciated
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 04:04 PM
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doesn't 05's and 06's have the same gear ratio's
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 04:14 PM
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Yeah, I couldn't tell what year yours was based on the sig--so that's not the issue then.

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doesn't 05's and 06's have the same gear ratio's
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 05:54 AM
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Here is another RMW HEAD/HEADER combo
the "red" run was a test of a/fs and timing with the 440cc injectors
purple was the first full run to 8k
yellow was the final run of the day

245.8whp
187.8 ft lbs of torque
car has around 66,000 miles on it
 

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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 06:21 AM
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Jan -

How does one setup a tune with you? Do you only tune in California?
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Rycase
Jan -

How does one setup a tune with you? Do you only tune in California?
They are setting up dyno days all around the country. I am leaving for Detroit today to dyno cars Sun/Mon, then off to Dallas on Thurs for the weekend.

Philly is the next date on January 16th-19th

If you are interested in setting something up in Chicago, contact the local clubs and try to put something together. I am up for going , but you will need about 10cars minimum.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 07:23 AM
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one day i will get mt car tuned like this, one day
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 08:26 AM
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Can someone explain in simple terms the relationship of Torque versus whp?

I understand that I gained about 20HP and 10 pounds of torque after my tune and that the torque number is more important.

Looking at this tune with the head, I see that he's got 43 hp more than mine but about 5 pounds of torque difference. Jan told me that normally you can feel a 5 to 6 pound torque increase pretty easily, so that my 10 pound was very good.

My question is--if this particular dyno only showed 2 pounds of torque increase and 30hp gain, would I have felt a difference??
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Btw, 5th gear on the highway at 4,500 RPM is AMAZING after the tune. There is so much power on tap now--love getting pushed back into my seat, and maybe it's just the way I'm driving now to take advantage of the power, but the exhaust note seems to be even meaner...I love it, lol.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
Here is another RMW HEAD/HEADER combo
the "red" run was a test of a/fs and timing with the 440cc injectors
purple was the first full run to 8k
yellow was the final run of the day

245.8whp
187.8 ft lbs of torque
car has around 66,000 miles on it
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 08:31 AM
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Oh wait, I think I know part of the answer. Jan reminded me that the Delta was the most important thing not hp. From these charts, I see after the head he's got about 13pounds more torque which is huge.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 09:49 AM
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Torque gets your started, horsepower keeps you there.

Use to sell Peterbilt trucks.

Thats how I use to explain it to customers.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 10:23 AM
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Oh that makes perfect sense. Thanks!

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Torque gets your started, horsepower keeps you there.

Use to sell Peterbilt trucks.

Thats how I use to explain it to customers.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 10:36 AM
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Truly impressive #'s for the RMW Head/Header combo.

After selling my E30M3 this has got me really thinking of a Mini track monster. I can only imagine how crazy the Rotrex kit will be on top of a RMW Head/Header combo!

Gotta love these little 1.6 litre powerhouses
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by OctaneGuy
Oh that makes perfect sense. Thanks!
Yep - when you test a car on a dyno, it's actually the torque that's being measured directly, and then the horsepower is derived from the torque number. In fact, the formula is HP = (torque X RPM) / 5252. That's why when you look at a dyno chart, the horsepower and torque numbers are always identical at 5252 RPM.

That's also why small-displacement sportbikes and things like Hondas/Acuras can post such high horsepower numbers while having very little torque - their engines can rev to the moon. Likewise, big diesel trucks can have 600+ ft-lbs or torque, but "only" 325 horsepower - they simply can't be revved very high, so that limits the horsepower.

As far as how a car "feels" when you're driving it, torque is what determines acceleration, while horsepower determines top speed. For a street-driven car, most people will be happier with an extra 5-10 ft-lbs of torque across a wide RPM range than they would be with an extra 20 horsepower at 6000+ RPM. You can pick up an extra 15-20 peak horsepower just by raising the RPM limiter, but how much time do you spend at 7000 RPM?
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 10:54 AM
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Thanks for the additional info Scott. Much appreciated.

Originally Posted by ScottRiqui
Yep - when you test a car on a dyno, it's actually the torque that's being measured directly, and then the horsepower is derived from the torque number.....

As far as how a car "feels" when you're driving it, torque is what determines acceleration, while horsepower determines top speed. For a street-driven car, most people will be happier with an extra 5-10 ft-lbs ....
 
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