Very true.

 

Thanks Ken

Mark

 

So have you mastered the very easy application yet? Most folks over apply product, so maybe you just need to learn the "more is less" rule

Debate is good, but this forum tends to deal with helping each other, rather then saying product X is way better then product Y. The end results are only important to the user. Why someone LIKES shine A over shine B is not a debate, it's just talk, and talk is cheap

Mark

 

Well Said

If you prefer Zaino, all the power to you

If you prefer Prima, Have at it

If you prefer Turtle Wax, you should probably have your head examined but it's your opinion

Big Shot-What's the agenda here? Seems you want to have a forum to have everyone say Zaino is great and Prima sucks. It's all opinion about what kind of finish you want on your car. Let's move on

 

So I guess an opposing opinion isn't tolerated around here. And this is the only safe place left on NAM because you all have the same likes.

I didn't know this was the Prima-lovers only thread. Sorry.

 

You asked question, got it answered, didn't like the response and then tried to have a discussion around the merits of Zaino when you asked a Prima specific question.

As Lotsie pointed out this isn't a debate, it's a preference choice.

Kinda like going to the Catholic church to ask questions around Catholicism with IMJ a agenda to convert everyone there to Judaisim. When they don't convert you get pouty and passive aggressive.

 

Actually, you SHOULD be sorry!

Here in Detailing101, a lot of different products are discussed. I base my opinions on facts and will gladly discuss the merits of any product or application..which we do often.

You may love Zaino, and that's perfectly fine, but trying to put down others, and calling products a waste of money doesn't give you much credibility in this forum. Although Hmmm is now quiet in this useless thread that he created, both you and he have much in common, because you both frequently speak in extremes. "I hate this, I hate that. This is a waste..", yada yada yada. And it's no wonder that you both are having such a hard time getting along with others here.

So mellow out, or go play somewhere else if you can't handle others raining on your parade. We are here to learn, discuss, and show off our pride and joy while RESPECTING EACH OTHER.

Richard

 

woah, OG. your post is like stomping on a little ant using a size 18 work shoe. KABOOOM!

over kill over kill. go easy on the guy.

dont need to make enemies just because he likes zaino. i like Griot's and minimaybee always crys boohoo that im too strong on him.

 

I think as penance you should hop on a plane to St. Louis and detail Augie at no charge

Bad Octane Guy, Bad Ocatane Guy!

 

My belief is that if you can't take the heat don't start the fire. I have no problems with him and Zaino.

 

fwiw, I found the comments about the different kind of shine one gets between Zaino and Epic interesting. I've used the Prima line on my MINI and am pretty well satisfied. But on a tour this past summer there was a BRG with a Zaino finish on it. I thought it looked pretty good. Been debating giving it a try. Just don't know though. Before I do that, may have to give some BG a try to see how I like it on the CR.

 

Remember when judging a finish that there is much more than JUST shine. How well the person polished the car or didn't polish the car, whether he followed the directions and claybarred the car (for Zaino especially) will impact the look..of course as will the pre-existing condition of the car. Also the lighting you view the car in...viewing a car in the shade versus full sunlight etc... will have a different look using the same products.

For any product, you just need to try it and find out. If you like using it, then you can figure out how to get optimal results with that product. if you don't like, then try something else. That's how it works.

BG doesn't require any accelerators to dry and although some might say that having to wipe off the wax is a chore compared to something like CS, atleast it's easy to tell where you've applied it and haven't, and I just really like to feel my paint through my MF towel, especially the Prima MF Starfish mitts as I wipe. It just makes all the effort to get it to that stage sooooo worth it.

Richard

 

All three will give you pretty different looks on BRG. You can also try topping either Epic or Zaino (Z2) with Banana Gloss for a forth variation.

Ultimately, you have to try them all to see which one you like on your MINI. They're all so different!

-Heather

 

True that! I've found that different waxes and ingredients can bring out certain hues more tha others. One of the reasons I like Hydro so much is that the Space Blue tends to have some purple in it and the hydro downplays that a lot, almost to a deep scottish blue, whereas when I've used things with carnuba, it looks almost purple. Probably enhances the red, I quess....

 

Where did I ask a question about Prima?

I am just trying to offer a differing opinion on the best "wax/polish" than the rest of the koolaid drinkers here.

 

Why would stating my opinion on a product that I have actually used and disliked be a problem for you? Oh yea.......you like it.

If I considered my purchase of Prima products to be a waste, I have the right to post such feelings.

And show me where I said I "hated" any Prima product. They don't perfrom as well as the Zaino products I have gone back to FOR ME ! ! I never put anyone down but you OG, and with good reason.

You claim to be trying to allow us to learn about the products but you don't like or allow differing opinions. You and some of the others seem to be the ones who don't like anyone raining on their parade.

The whole "prove it looks better" means absolutely nothing when talking about how a person likes or dislikes a product. It's like tryiong to judge the merits of different styles of paintings. We are are allowed to like or dislike any product for whatever reason we want.

And obviously you do have a problem with me, just look at the insults you have thrown my way. I haven't resorted to calling you names now have I?

You like the way Prima is used......I prefer the way Zaino is. Very easy to apply, fast curing, doesn't muck up the trim, and comes off very easily. I don't see the need to try and "judge" the results of using either product as the application and prep work is such a large part of how a finish turns out.

You can go back to your Prima lounge w/o anymore interuptions.

 

well, ive tried them all. Griot's Best of Show is the best.





hydro's great on your dd's though. i can promise you that.

 

Some folks would be insulted by the kool-aid remark. But then some folks get their knickers twisted way to easy.

I say we have a beer summit, just like the White House just had. Or maybe it would be better if everyone just got over it, and waxed on.

Mark

 

Yikes, talk about a crazy derailment...

Anywho, neat discussion. If I didn't know any better, I would say there's only Zaino and Prima... and nothing else!

I have come to the conclusion that Prima is too new to have any real 'best of class' wins. Excellence in class = second place = first place of the losers. It's a bragging rights game, as you all know.

We have paddle shifters on automatics not because people at a dirt track use them, but because formula 1 winners did...

Pros don't use Prima because there's better.

This forum is sponsored by Prima... the bias continues. Thank god NAM isn't.

With regards to hydro and learning how to use it... it's not that I dont understand how to spray, it's that I don't enjoy having to go back and detail the car after drying it with Hydro. Plus, let's be honest, it's for lazy people and their Hondas. No one who competes will use this product for anything other than to skip a good honest wax. Those usually frequent http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/

Gluck!

 

Care to bestow upon us wayward Nammers what you prefer to use whilst winning Best In Show and where you collected these trophies at?!

 

I always thought of Hydro as something more along the lines of a quasi-QD to use in between the "real" waxings that I do. A little something to help with the shine a bit and maybe a little extra protection. But I'm not really expecting it to extend the life of the underlying wax much nor would I expect it to stand alone as the only wax or produce a "show quality" finish.

Outside of Zaino and Prima, I don't really see a lot of other discussion of other brands. The occassional Griot's post, but as kenchan noted above, maybe not the best for a dd, which mine is.

Hmmm - I don't think I've seen anything in the thread about what you prefer. Maybe you could throw that in the mix? Also, in your original post, you mentioned your father attending events and not hearing much talk about Prima. Curious as to what products they are using (or maybe what is winning the events that he attends).

 

I love how you and BS make these unfounded blanket statements. Ever heard of trolling?

Also what's this about having to detail a car after having to use Hydro? Huh? Sounds like you still have no clue what Hydro is for. Course you hate Prima and Love Klasse and Zaino.

So now that we've established that, we can move on and end this childish back and forth behavior that didn't exist in Detailing101 until you both came here.

Richard (One Pro that used Prima before he started selling it)

 

jcauseyfd- Griot's SprayOn Wax is exactly that. it's a booster and i would not use it as my primary wax cause it does wash off after a day or two of rain or even a quick wash.

Hydro's different. its durability is more along the lines of Meg's NXT Techwax. it's just 100x easier to use. one can use it as their primary sealant if they wash their cars routinely and keep applying it. especially if you dont blot dry i recommend Hydro anyway cause it will lube the surface while you drag your towel over the paint to dry the car.

and yes, i would not use Griot's Best of Show on my dd. primary reason is after washing the car on a warm day, wax can 'move around' and kinda re-seat itself onto the paint which leaves behind wax marks especially around nooks and crannies. i hate cleaning those after the wash. with polymer (Hydro) i dont have to deal with that.

 

let's not forget:

kenchan (one amature that used Prima before anyone else on NAM and the one who recommended to the all mighty OG).

back then you were "Meguiar's this" "Meguiar's that." remember?

 

Thanks for reminding me! I liked Prima's maintenance products after your recommendation but didn't care for the polishes for almost a year before I learned how to use them and I certainly wasn't selling the polishes yet. Course that doesn't matter cause we are biased anyways. Ignorance will always persist by those who choose to blame others for their shortcomings.