I fell in love with the girl at the car show
I'll buy that - to a point. If they aren't bothered by light-to-moderate swirling, and don't want to take the extra time to keep the finish absolutely pristine, that's fine.
What ticks me off is the people that have nice or expensive vehicles that are really grungy, and they say "I'd rather drive/ride it than clean it!", as if they're *proud* of the fact that they're flat-out neglecting an expensive piece of precision equipment.
For me, it's a matter of professionalism and pride of ownership. Just as you don't toss dirty, greasy tools back in your tool chest when you're done with them, you should spend a little time periodically to keep your vehicles clean. They don't have to be perfect, but they should at least be clean.
What ticks me off is the people that have nice or expensive vehicles that are really grungy, and they say "I'd rather drive/ride it than clean it!", as if they're *proud* of the fact that they're flat-out neglecting an expensive piece of precision equipment.
For me, it's a matter of professionalism and pride of ownership. Just as you don't toss dirty, greasy tools back in your tool chest when you're done with them, you should spend a little time periodically to keep your vehicles clean. They don't have to be perfect, but they should at least be clean.
This is a nasty addiction that will not go away by just looking at pictures.

Lately, I'm getting the hots looking at Nano's little sister.
Being a newly converted semi-OCD swirlaphobe... I'm just curious... some of this stuff we take for granted now (the PC, lotsa quality polishes, variety of foam pads, etc.) are fairly recent developments, aren't they? Last few years, anyway? I know guys have been using rotaries and wool bonnets forever...
'Cause maybe it's just that, if you got your learnin' more than a few years ago, you have a totally different understanding of what's practical for mere mortals than we do... because what was practical, say, 10 years ago might be a bunch of swirls and holograms?
Just curious - agree or refute...
'Cause maybe it's just that, if you got your learnin' more than a few years ago, you have a totally different understanding of what's practical for mere mortals than we do... because what was practical, say, 10 years ago might be a bunch of swirls and holograms?
Just curious - agree or refute...
The amount of work it used to take to keep a paint finish swirl/mar free was very time consuming. The old lacquer paints were easy to mar, but presented the best shine when properly polished. Unfortunately, it was almost impossible to avoid swilr marks in lacquer. Even hand rubbing wet would still leave some marks.
Then the old enamels were so soft, it was difficult to get a shine out of them. So you saturated them with waxes which were not as easy to apply and remove, leaving behind marks.
The only way to remove swirls back then was to wet rub the surface with a dense cotton towel. Had to be careful to turn/replace the towel often. Took a lot of time.
Caution - start of rant.
Thirty-five years ago I didn't even have a calculator, but now I have a laptop computer. Thirty-five years ago there were no airbags in cars and now I have 4 of them. Thirty-five years ago I didn't even have a car, now I have three of them. Of course thirty-five years ago I was only ten, but my point is that times change and technology advances. What was once a PITA is now easier and common place. Granted the old lacquer paints were hard (if not impossible) to get swirl-free, but with today's technology and paint, that is no longer an excuse. So...
If you're going to spend $10K or more on a paint job, at least learn to maintain it in a visually appealing state. I don't believe there are any excuses for not doing so these days, daily driver or trailered. If you show your car put a little effort into your paint. End of rant.
Thirty-five years ago I didn't even have a calculator, but now I have a laptop computer. Thirty-five years ago there were no airbags in cars and now I have 4 of them. Thirty-five years ago I didn't even have a car, now I have three of them. Of course thirty-five years ago I was only ten, but my point is that times change and technology advances. What was once a PITA is now easier and common place. Granted the old lacquer paints were hard (if not impossible) to get swirl-free, but with today's technology and paint, that is no longer an excuse. So...
If you're going to spend $10K or more on a paint job, at least learn to maintain it in a visually appealing state. I don't believe there are any excuses for not doing so these days, daily driver or trailered. If you show your car put a little effort into your paint. End of rant.
All this talk about swirls and stuff but you never mention how to get rid of them....
That one is a cutey. I wish mine looked that good but I love her the way she is.
You do realize that there are show car categories which require OEM paint? Repaints can be dinged for using acrylics if the car did not come with acrylic. Check the show car category.
I am not saying some are not induced by the owner and could be done away with. I am also not defending those who are too lazy to attempt to do it right.
You took my post all wrong.
Screw it. I am tired of trying to pass on any ionformation only to be jumped on. I dunt(tm) understand why you folsk are so darn touchy. I'll just stay out of this forum from now on.
I am not saying some are not induced by the owner and could be done away with. I am also not defending those who are too lazy to attempt to do it right.
You took my post all wrong.
Screw it. I am tired of trying to pass on any ionformation only to be jumped on. I dunt(tm) understand why you folsk are so darn touchy. I'll just stay out of this forum from now on.
I've seen the OEM cars and you gotta love a 50 year old car with decent OEM paint!
I completely understand the coffee (or lack thereof). Most of my best rants begin before the caffeine kicks in and later in the day I'll go back and think "why the heck did I write that".
Glad you're not leave the Detailing form, you've had some great posts. I love seeing other's work and reading their experiences.
As a kid I used to help this custom car builder who lived across the street from us. His paint and body work was incredible and I learned a lot from him. His daily driver was a 54 Ford. Black, of course. Original paint. And yet it always looked like a mirror. He secret?
He mixed in a bit of vegetable oil into the wax. It helped the wax go on smoother, easier, and the oil helped to seal the surface better and resist oxidation.
I'd go to shows with him and he would point out why some paints looked the way they did. He really knew his stuff and I was fortunate to be able to hang around with him learning what I could.
We have it so easy today.
He mixed in a bit of vegetable oil into the wax. It helped the wax go on smoother, easier, and the oil helped to seal the surface better and resist oxidation.
I'd go to shows with him and he would point out why some paints looked the way they did. He really knew his stuff and I was fortunate to be able to hang around with him learning what I could.
We have it so easy today.
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I did mean to say in my original post that I get that some of the paints on these cars are original, and that there's only so much you can do. But most of them were obviously repainted (did they even have metallic paints in the 30s?) and just not cared for.
And often, you would look into a car to check out the interior, and I can't even think of how many times I saw bottles of Armor All crap in the back seat.
Next time I should go armed with a bottle of Hydro and some Monster Fluffys and offer demos.
And often, you would look into a car to check out the interior, and I can't even think of how many times I saw bottles of Armor All crap in the back seat.
Next time I should go armed with a bottle of Hydro and some Monster Fluffys and offer demos.
MLW, for show cars, it is not about the product. All it is about is the result. Long term care is not a concern.
A show car's ready box has a lot of crap in it that is only for show car use.
It is and shsuld be different for a car that is actually driven. But for show, you would be shocked to see the stuff the ready kit has in it.
Because I have tried them and did not care for them.
A show car's ready box has a lot of crap in it that is only for show car use.
It is and shsuld be different for a car that is actually driven. But for show, you would be shocked to see the stuff the ready kit has in it.
Because I have tried them and did not care for them.
Next time I should go armed with a bottle of Hydro and some Monster Fluffys and offer demos.
Admittedly, I'm a complete novice with new school detailing... but I've finally begun to use products like turtlewax' ICE liquid polish (why?because it's so fricken easy!) and claybars.What is Hyrdo and more funny, what the helk is a "Monster Fluffy?" I'm not jabbing anyone here. Just asking some silly questions about products with goofy names.



