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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 08:28 AM
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OctaneGuy--Black Silverado with Prima Only

Before our Open House I worked on this Black Silverado. It was so large that accessing many parts proved difficult, even with a ladder. I didn't want to deal with removing splatter, so I decided to use the PC with an Orange Pad and Prima Swirl to remove the haze and swirls out of the finish. While using a PC is slower than an RB, not having to go back over the finish with a PC to remove any buffer swirls, and not having to tape the cracks and crevices makes up for it.

Process was

PC with Orange Pad and Prima Swirl
PC with White Pad and Prima Amigo
PC with Black Pad and Prima Epic

Prima Hydro used for touch up the following day







Tested out the Hi-Tech Body Sponge "claybar"


Rinses off with water


Let's you clay over decals without fear of leaving clay residue along edges


Keep it liberally lubed (wipe it frequently)




Set it safely almost anywhere when not using it


Use an SCD Towel Hook to keep clean MF towels accessible at all times. Some people like to use the mirrors to hold towels which works, unless the car is really tall or very large.


Before Black Wow on Front Bumper


After


Hyperdressing was used on the rear bumper since you had to step on it to climb into the bed and HD isn't slippery.

Black Wow on grill slats









For comparison, I didn't polish out the bed, look at the improvement--yes the bed has been washed and is clean. The tailgate looked just as bad before polishing.









I spent a total of 10 hours on this which included the interior and the results were fantastic. I love Prima!
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 08:40 AM
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nice job.

but your title says Prima Only but you used Meg and even pushed the
envelope to advertise BW... are you trying to use my sales tactic of
slipping stuff in without people noticing?



its time we need to revisit Hydro.


 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 08:52 AM
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Hahah. Well you have to look at the context of Megs. I used it for clay lube cause it's cheap and isn't being used to improve the look of the final finish. I also didn't use the rotary buffer, Meguiar's pads or polishes which is actually pretty significant.


Originally Posted by kenchan
nice job.

but your title says Prima Only but you used Meg and even pushed the
envelope to advertise BW... are you trying to use my sales tactic of
slipping stuff in without people noticing?



its time we need to revisit Hydro.


 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 09:06 AM
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Richard....Looks GREAT!

Quick question...please don't laugh...but why do you always tape a towel to your work area?

I'm sure the answer will probably be obvious, but I figured I'd ask just in case there are others who are curious too....
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 09:33 AM
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Awesome, Richard!!

Jeesh, I'm glad I didn't have to climb all over that mammouth thing though!

As you pointed out, it's a great example of what the PC, LC Pads and some high quality polish (read: Prima! ) can do. And also as you said, sure, it may take a little more time than if you had used a Rotary, but the avoidance of holograms, taping, and just general "paint safety" (for the average enthusiast anyway, not the pro) make up for the time. Thanks for sharing your Prima-only (and LC pads) experience!

-Heather
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Uber Blu
Richard....Looks GREAT!

Quick question...please don't laugh...but why do you always tape a towel to your work area?

I'm sure the answer will probably be obvious, but I figured I'd ask just in case there are others who are curious too....
You obviously have not seen his video, for sale in the NAM store. It masks that area, and gives you a baseline. The area to the right is the test area. Once done with the test area remove the towel and you can see the difference.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 10:06 AM
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It doesn't look like you put dressing on the tires or undercarriage. I know some guys don't like it but I am looking for something to dress wheel wells and frames that won't break the bank. A truck like the one here can slurp up a lot of product. Any recommendations? I've heard of ,but not tried Megs Hyper dressing or All Season dressing or does DP have anything? What about ,dare I say, armour all?
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 10:14 AM
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Hey Richard, awesome detail!

Do you have a write-up/review on the hi-tech body sponge "claybar"? Is it as effective as clay? I am really interested to find out more about this new product. I like the idea that you can easily clean and reuse as many times you want.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 10:36 AM
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I'm performing on going tests on the sponge on different cars. So far I like it a lot and is a useful tool to the rest of my products. It's not a replacement for clay but it works very well.
Originally Posted by minimk3
Hey Richard, awesome detail!

Do you have a write-up/review on the hi-tech body sponge "claybar"? Is it as effective as clay? I am really interested to find out more about this new product. I like the idea that you can easily clean and reuse as many times you want.
The undercarriage and wheel wells were dressed with Hyperdressing. I didn't dress the tires when I took those pix. I use Hyperdressing for the tires since I like a black matte look on tires this large. Huge tires with glossy sidewalls looks kind of silly--yes I did that once a long time ago, and realized it wasn't the best way to go.

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It doesn't look like you put dressing on the tires or undercarriage. I know some guys don't like it but I am looking for something to dress wheel wells and frames that won't break the bank. A truck like the one here can slurp up a lot of product. Any recommendations? I've heard of ,but not tried Megs Hyper dressing or All Season dressing or does DP have anything? What about ,dare I say, armour all?
The towel is also there to prevent contaminating the work area. The painters tape is used as a divider line for a Before/After look. The towel gives additional separation in case I splatter any polish on the paint, I don't want the area under the towel to be influenced by the polish.

Originally Posted by Jughead
You obviously have not seen his video, for sale in the NAM store. It masks that area, and gives you a baseline. The area to the right is the test area. Once done with the test area remove the towel and you can see the difference.
Thanks Heather!! I love the rotary, but the PC, Prima, and LC pads together are a very powerful combination. Stay tuned for more details using the Prima/LC Pad combo.

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Awesome, Richard!!

Jeesh, I'm glad I didn't have to climb all over that mammouth thing though!

As you pointed out, it's a great example of what the PC, LC Pads and some high quality polish (read: Prima! ) can do. And also as you said, sure, it may take a little more time than if you had used a Rotary, but the avoidance of holograms, taping, and just general "paint safety" (for the average enthusiast anyway, not the pro) make up for the time. Thanks for sharing your Prima-only (and LC pads) experience!

-Heather
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 10:55 AM
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Thanks OG, I was leaning towards hyperdressing cause you can dilute it. Love your work and your write-ups . Thanks
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 11:00 AM
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Thanks! Btw, a gallon of HD will last forever. I'm still on my first gallon--after 3 years. LOL. HD is perfect for the MINI engine bay and rubber floor matts as well because it's not slippery.

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Thanks OG, I was leaning towards hyperdressing cause you can dilute it. Love your work and your write-ups . Thanks
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by OctaneGuy
Process was

PC with Orange Pad and Prima Swirl
PC with White Pad and Prima Amigo
PC with Black Pad and Prima Epic

Prima Hydro used for touch up the following day

In the interest of learning about different processes. Would the steps in your video with just a single Meguirs yellow pad and M80 have accomplished the same thing or were there more defects in the paint that required more aggressive polishes?
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 11:18 AM
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Not likely, and that's why I went with the steps I did. Like any problem, you choose the process or system that best gets the job done. I didn't choose the rotary due to the difficult cleanup that would have resulted. I didn't choose Meguiar's M80 and W8006 pad, because I wanted the cutting capability of the rotary without the mess. And due to the size of the vehicle, I didn't want to have to expend extra effort--you need to apply 15 to 20 pounds of pressure on the PC when using the W8006 pad, and that can be tough when you're already overextended on a large surface.

The system I chose--after confirming with my test spot- proved that I could get the results I desired and from past experience on black paint, I knew that Swirl, Amigo, Epic would provide the fantastic look that I desired.

Richard


Originally Posted by k_h_d
In the interest of learning about different processes. Would the steps in your video with just a single Meguirs yellow pad and M80 have accomplished the same thing or were there more defects in the paint that required more aggressive polishes?
 

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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 11:22 AM
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What i would like to know...how long does Black WOW last? I spend hours making sure my car is in tip top shape, and everything else I have used on the black trim seems not to last. If this stuff lasts, I will be first in line to buy some!
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by moodylewdd
...If this stuff lasts, I will be first in line to buy some!
Too late for that!
I'm on my 4th week of BW on the CR-V (more vinyl then a floor store) and it is still looking great. My MINI has only had BW on for 2 weeks tomorrow, but again, looking great.
 

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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 11:44 AM
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SOLD! That is by far better sounding than anything else I have used! No attraction of dust and such right?
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 11:47 AM
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Not when used properly.
Originally Posted by moodylewdd
SOLD! That is by far better sounding than anything else I have used! No attraction of dust and such right?
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 11:50 AM
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Great stuff as usual OG!
Way to show how awesome Prima Products are!
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 12:06 PM
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SOLD! That is by far better sounding than anything else I have used! No attraction of dust and such right?
Check out this thread: https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=99503
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 12:10 PM
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So would M83 then M80 with the W8006 produce similar results to what you achieved?

Originally Posted by OctaneGuy
Not likely, and that's why I went with the steps I did. Like any problem, you choose the process or system that best gets the job done. I didn't choose the rotary due to the difficult cleanup that would have resulted. I didn't choose Meguiar's M80 and W8006 pad, because I wanted the cutting capability of the rotary without the mess. And due to the size of the vehicle, I didn't want to have to expend extra effort--you need to apply 15 to 20 pounds of pressure on the PC when using the W8006 pad, and that can be tough when you're already overextended on a large surface.

The system I chose--after confirming with my test spot- proved that I could get the results I desired and from past experience on black paint, I knew that Swirl, Amigo, Epic would provide the fantastic look that I desired.

Richard
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 12:30 PM
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In many cases 83 is the next logical choice up from M80, but it still is not equivalent to the Orange pad and Swirl.

I did a side by side test on a black Corvette which has extremely hard paint usually reserved for rotary buffer work only. 2 passes with the orange pad and Swirl was just as effective as 1 pass of the rotary. M83 and W8006 pad had no impact.

Richard

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So would M83 then M80 with the W8006 produce similar results to what you achieved?
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 12:30 PM
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So, Richard, this new clay pad thingy would work on getting all the "stuff" stuck at the seam of my clear bra?

If so, I'm buying one!
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 12:42 PM
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I would be careful for that use. The bar has the potential to scratch or mar what you are claying--because it's essentially a rubber material attached to a foam block. It works great to remove bonded contaminants and such, but I haven't tried it on clear bra yet and not exactly sure I would want to----of course if we are only talking about at the seam and not directly on it--then yes, it should work well there, as well as preventing future clay stuff stuck there.

Richard

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So, Richard, this new clay pad thingy would work on getting all the "stuff" stuck at the seam of my clear bra?

If so, I'm buying one!
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 12:51 PM
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Wow that must have been a big job- my shoulders hurt just imagining it. Great results though!
 
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