PROBLEM: He wants a Solar Red MCS? MINI-USA will not build one.

Solution: Get the paint code from his MC. Sell the MC, and Buy a pure silver MCS. Then take the car and have it painted with the Solar Red Paint.

Kinda what thefutuequeenofnebraska did...

 

its a little tight if i were you check up with m7 see what they can do to help

 

I like s/c's over Turbo, but in this case since you don't have an MCS it is more economical to go turbo. S/C's rob you of power/fuel before giving you it's benefits. Turbo make use of waste to provide its benefit and I believe a little less fuel consomption, but I'm in no way an expert. If it was easier/more beneficial to install S/C's there would be a lot more cars running them. I like S/C's for maintenance ease. You can vary your Turbo a lot more, but you better maintain it well.

If I'm not mistaken the MCS's engine block is slightly different than the N/A block, ie lubrication & cooling. I thought I read that when I researched the 03 before buying.

 

Eh, it's not just the Solar Red, even though painting a pure silver still won't make it one of the ultra rare Solar Red Coopers, it's the panther leather, convience package, premium package, piano dash, aero kit etc etc. Selling it is out of the question.

Here's something to discuss though guys... what if I got a bigger pulley and ran like 8 psi or something like that?.. does anyone have an idea of what's a safe level of boost for a stock Cooper engine?

I know I know... just do N/A mods and you'll get the same gain. If I was running 5-8 psi and then got the new head and all that I would get even MORE power. Plus the torque a supercharger makes is a big plus.

Well, that's assuming there would be a gain... I know superchargers rob engine power to make boost.

Thanks again everyone.

 

would the idea of him dropping a Cooper S engine be plausible? Just to an engine swap?

 

Sure just change the hood, drop the spare, move the battery and run the wiring for it, and change all the componets around it. All that would be left is adding the S badges.

 

From what it looks like, you would probably have fewer headaches if you bought a MCS and paid someone to paint it solar red! lol

 

Excuse me if this is a repeat.. I didnt read all the responses.

You will be missing:

Forged crank and rods, oil cooled pistons, oil cooler, lowered CR, ecu programming and of course all the SC external stuff... Clutch, tranny would also need to be updated for the extra stress.
Best to trade it in on an MCS.... IMHO.

 

I think amg6975 is beginning to understand the realities in going forced induction given the “as is” MC limitations. Now I want to entertain some fantasies, what if instead of the Eaton M45, a Vortec SC was installed. The MC water pump could be retained and if a small low boost version with a large pulley was used then, no need for an aftercooler. The SC could be mounted above the intake manifold and other drive pulleys and then the hood massaged adding a big hump. I like off-center power hump hood designs. The forward battery box could be maintained but the MC IM should be replaced along with the intake box. Of course a custom oil feed line would be needed for the Vortec. This doesn’t take into account the high CR from the MC’s flat top pistons or any of the other internals but this is a fantasy. The Vortec has a lot of market support so some kind of work-around for fuel delivery etc. could be modified to accommodate the MC’s needs.

 

That's more like it! Trading for an MCS may be easier and cheaper, but where's the challenge?

 

Did someone say turbo setup...... ?

 

A turbo might be fun... But cost effective?

 

http://www.madnessequipped.com/turbo_conversion.htm

 

I plan on getting more power than that from the Cooper.

 

Maybe it is me, but you can make the paint any color you want. I have done this with many vehicles I have owned. I like to paint myself because I'm very fussy and like to save money. In some cities there are really good painters that offer very low pricing. Therefore, the subject driver could by a late model used MCS and paint it any color - including solar red.

 

if you are willling to spend the money on a conversion like this... you would be better off doing a turbo conversion in sted... same money prolly and would be WAY more efficent and you would make alot more power with less work...


this is for an MCS... it would not bolt right in... nor would the intercooler fit under the cooper hood... blah blah etc... it would prolly be easier for you to just trade her in and get an MCS... seriously.... I have built enough of these things... unless you just ahve money to burn.. LOL.. in that case gimme a PM!

 

Are you serious? What are your plans? Just curious... I thought 300hp is pretty extreme already for FWD...

 

Yeah I thought I'd just throw the idea out there... I mean if he was going to supercharge the Cooper, he probably has to swap out the Cooper engine for the S. Since he is doing that already, why not ditch the supercharger and the components and add the kit for more power!

Damn rich people...

 

I like my Cooper thank you very much! And WHERE'S my hood! Slacker I can say you are the SOLE reason why I don't have a CF hood on my car right now. I'm debating on whether you really do have friends besides Kalbone and I.........

 

me too!

 

I love my Cooper... and, I love the all N/A power mine's putting down. Forced induction be darned...

 

Oh...my Cooper will have FI...just gearing up to drop the cashola Right, Tuls?

 

I know nothing

 

Yes but that kit simply replaces the belt driven supercharger with an exaust driven turbo(supercharger).

 

yes but in the defence of those of us doing turbo only stuff or even the TC stuff... there are two very critical differences...

hey Dr., this isn't directly to you... more for others who may not understand the differences

the super charger is parasitic to the motor...nor is it as efficent as a turbo ... Turbo is using energy that's already there

look at what we have done with the Turbo only... we made 283 WHP and 245 FTLBSTQ on 17 lbs of boost.. yes we made alot more.... but the reason I am talking about the 17 lbs is cause we many run 17lbs or more all the time with thier SC... but when have you heard of an MCS making that kinda power... this mind you on a fully stock motor...


Another thought I had for the MC folk... you do not need a MCS motor to Turbo... but you will be limited to say 6 lbs of boost due to the compression ratio of the cooper motor though.... at least for a daily