Cooper (non S) Modifications specific to the MINI Cooper (R56).

Clubman CAI

  #26  
Old 02-21-2009, 11:41 AM
IzzyG
IzzyG is offline
6th Gear
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,141
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Reviving the thread with an update. I tried going the Spectre route. All of the auto chain shops have them it seems(other than Advanced Auto Parts). Anyways, got the filter but no flipping adapter to make the filter fit to the MAF sensor. You pretty much need a 3 inch outside diameter tubing to fit on to the inside of the Spectre filter and that should also fit on the outside of the MAF sensor(which I have not tried since I couldn't find the tubing).

Anyways, I was at Autozone and found a steel mesh cone filter? It comes with the correct parts and has a silicone tube with and inside diameter of about 3". Since it's silicone and comes with clamps, I believe I should be able to clamp outside the MAF sensor and clamp it down tight. Only down side is the crazy orange color(less loud than VIP's though). I'll give an update after I install it tomorrow.
 
  #27  
Old 02-22-2009, 12:13 PM
IzzyG
IzzyG is offline
6th Gear
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,141
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by OXYBLUECOOP View Post
The air temps are on my ScanGauge II and volume with a air flow meter.
Hey Oxy, I actually have another question regarding the air flow meter you used. If I'm reading my sources right, air flow meters measure the rate of air flow and not necessarily the volume of air flow correct? Basically the MAF sensor will measure the air coming in and inject the right amount of fuel. My question is, a less restricted air flow mod(whether a CAI or less restricted tubing/filter setup) will only allow a higher fuel burn rate(thus theoretically increasing power). In other words, it does squat for fuel economy, but theoretically increase power. So unless you're pushing it harder, there should be no other changes. Correct?
 
  #28  
Old 02-23-2009, 12:49 PM
IzzyG
IzzyG is offline
6th Gear
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,141
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
So, got the cone filter on. Here's the picture;



Quite a bit of space available since the muffler and airbox is removed. I'm thinking of running tubes all the way to the stock air hole. Anyways, as far as performance difference; not sure if there is any. However, the roar is definitely a loud roar under load. Cruising and regular acceleration, the sound is same as stock. Otherwise it's really roaring(especially on floored accelerator)
 
  #29  
Old 02-23-2009, 01:29 PM
lacning74
lacning74 is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: May 2007
Location: nyc
Posts: 1,361
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by IzzyG View Post
So, got the cone filter on. Here's the picture;



Quite a bit of space available since the muffler and airbox is removed. I'm thinking of running tubes all the way to the stock air hole. Anyways, as far as performance difference; not sure if there is any. However, the roar is definitely a loud roar under load. Cruising and regular acceleration, the sound is same as stock. Otherwise it's really roaring(especially on floored accelerator)
looks good. i like the orange. seems like a pretty straightforward diy job. what's the cone filter's model number and price?
 
  #30  
Old 02-23-2009, 01:35 PM
IzzyG
IzzyG is offline
6th Gear
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,141
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
It's an out of production cone filter unfortunately. Made by a company called Reworks(owned by ASC IIRC). You could try finding it online. Google "Reworks steel mesh filter". It's the only one that came with a silicone tubing that allowed me to stretch it around the air filter and the MAF sensor. Otherwise, I could not find tubes that match the diameters of different cone filters or the MAF sensor. 3" diameter tubing does NOT fit the 2 3/4" MAF(it's a pretty huge difference). Oh and cost was $39.99 at a local store that had one left. :P
 
  #31  
Old 03-24-2009, 09:19 PM
FreshMINI
FreshMINI is offline
1st Gear
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Anyone do the VIP intake yet?
 
  #32  
Old 03-25-2009, 08:32 PM
tfuhst's Avatar
tfuhst
tfuhst is offline
2nd Gear
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
is it really necessary to run a tube to where the stock air hole is?
i installed a k&n apollo cai in mine and throwing the tube that came with mine just kills the sound and it constantly falls off due to all the rumbling and hose clamps do no good.....
 
  #33  
Old 03-26-2009, 05:18 AM
IzzyG
IzzyG is offline
6th Gear
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,141
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by tfuhst View Post
is it really necessary to run a tube to where the stock air hole is?
i installed a k&n apollo cai in mine and throwing the tube that came with mine just kills the sound and it constantly falls off due to all the rumbling and hose clamps do no good.....

Which tube are you talking about? The stock one from the hole near the grill to the stock muffler? I took mine off when I did my open cone filter. And what do you mean by "kills the sound"? Gets louder or softer? As long as you removed the stock muffler, it should be louder.
 
  #34  
Old 03-26-2009, 12:49 PM
tfuhst's Avatar
tfuhst
tfuhst is offline
2nd Gear
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Yes the one leading to the front grill
But mine came with a replacement and it's just a tin hose which connects to my intake and leads to the front air hole, but the new hose softens the sound to make it sound practically stock
So can I remove it or is it necessairy I'll post up a pic when I get home to show u exactly to avoid confusion
 
  #35  
Old 04-03-2009, 03:20 AM
pw4's Avatar
pw4
pw4 is offline
5th Gear
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Melbourne Australia
Posts: 666
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by tfuhst View Post
Yes the one leading to the front grill
But mine came with a replacement and it's just a tin hose which connects to my intake and leads to the front air hole, but the new hose softens the sound to make it sound practically stock
So can I remove it or is it necessairy I'll post up a pic when I get home to show u exactly to avoid confusion
I have the K&N and it's really really noisy without the air tube to the front air hole. The main reason for the air tube is to get cold air (which is denser) rather than picking up hot air from around the engine. The ECU will mix in extra fuel and you should get a bit of extra power. I think I can tell the difference when the air tube falls off the cone section.

(Yes, it falls off easily. I put a hose clamp there instead of the plastic tie, and that helped. If it comes off again I'm going to work out some way to bolt it on!!!)
 
  #36  
Old 04-03-2009, 03:44 AM
IzzyG
IzzyG is offline
6th Gear
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,141
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
If you have an open cone air filter, using the tube to the front of the grill makes little sense. However, if the cone filter is closed in a housing, then yes, I would recommend keeping the hose. Either way, the hose really restricts air flow when compared to just open air.
 
  #37  
Old 04-03-2009, 06:29 PM
pw4's Avatar
pw4
pw4 is offline
5th Gear
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Melbourne Australia
Posts: 666
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by IzzyG View Post
If you have an open cone air filter, using the tube to the front of the grill makes little sense...
I agree.

Originally Posted by IzzyG View Post
...if the cone filter is closed in a housing, then yes, I would recommend keeping the hose...
Which mine is. Incidentally, I notice on the Out Motoring page there are now 2 K&N CAIs - looks like one now has a hose designed by adults rather than the stretchy-concertina-thing that keeps falling off. Looks to have a properly-shaped piece for the opening behind the grill too.

Originally Posted by IzzyG View Post
...the hose really restricts air flow when compared to just open air.
Hmm - I guess so. (And the opening behind the grill is smaller diameter than the hose, so that limits it even more.) I'm getting out of my depth though - what's more important, quantity of air or temperature (ie density) of air?
 
  #38  
Old 08-04-2009, 02:32 PM
jbewley
jbewley is offline
5th Gear
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Emmitsburg, MD
Posts: 752
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by lacning74 View Post
just saw a new picture of the intake option from VIPCustomParts. I already have the K&N drop-in filter. do y'all think the new intake tube will make a substantial additional difference?

I just added this tube as I already had the K&N filter. I have noticed a big difference in power responce. Too soon to tell about mpg. I like it and it is a snap to install. I asked VIP about the open cone set up and they said it was just too loud for their liking on the MC which is why they stay with the closed box. I can neither confirm nor deny this statement.

Jim
 
  #39  
Old 08-05-2009, 01:12 AM
pw4's Avatar
pw4
pw4 is offline
5th Gear
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Melbourne Australia
Posts: 666
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I can confirm the open cone is seriously loud. Much better with the cold air tube.
Also, without the tube, you have a HAI because the air has come through the radiator and around the hot engine before it gets to the intake.
 
  #40  
Old 08-05-2009, 09:45 AM
Oxybluecoop's Avatar
Oxybluecoop
Oxybluecoop is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (-1)
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Morgan,UT
Posts: 2,976
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
The sweet spot for the coolest air with the least restriction is behind and below the block and requires pulling the intake manifold to be able install the cone filter.
 
  #41  
Old 08-05-2009, 08:12 PM
pw4's Avatar
pw4
pw4 is offline
5th Gear
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Melbourne Australia
Posts: 666
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I'm impressed with the effort you went to to mount it there!
 
  #42  
Old 08-07-2009, 03:53 PM
jbewley
jbewley is offline
5th Gear
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Emmitsburg, MD
Posts: 752
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I gave the VipAir2 a good test over the past two days. There is a lot more responce when you step on the gas, even between 2K & 3K. When you pass through 3K it actually jumps. I have several long grades that I go up almost daily and I find I can now hold sixth and not have to shift to fifth half way up. I have been taking the same route over and over getting 42+ mpg like clock work. The last two trips got 46+ mpg. This is a combination city and back road. Car idles smoother, the sound is just perfect and any louder would not be as pleasing, IMHO.

I did not think this car could be any more fun to drive, but, for me, this mod has made it so.

I highly recommend this for you Non-S folks.

Jim
 
  #43  
Old 08-28-2009, 12:45 PM
TChezem's Avatar
TChezem
TChezem is offline
2nd Gear
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: West Valley City, Utah
Posts: 99
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I have a 2 1/2" to 3" adapter hose fittted to the MAF sensor connected to an 18" Polished Aluminum 3" intake pipe, with an RS Akimoto (K&N) cone filter on the end, using the 10 mm bolt location on the right side of the block as an anchor point for the bracket that keeps it all in place. I used stainless steel hose clamps on all connections. Works great!

Very similar to oxy blue coops original set up. I kept the air ram tube from the bumper cowl up to where the air box/baffle chamber used to be to move more cold air into the engine bay. I have pictures, not sure how to post them. Send me PM and I can send them to you, if interested. A lot louder on acceleration and almost sounds like it has an open exhaust---it's amazing how much noise canceling is engineered into a factory air box and baffle.

Thanks for all the ideas on this link....
 
  #44  
Old 08-28-2009, 01:16 PM
jbewley
jbewley is offline
5th Gear
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Emmitsburg, MD
Posts: 752
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by TChezem View Post
I have a 2 1/2" to 3" adapter hose fittted to the MAF sensor connected to an 18" Polished Aluminum 3" intake pipe, with an RS Akimoto (K&N) cone filter on the end, using the 10 mm bolt location on the right side of the block as an anchor point for the bracket that keeps it all in place. I used stainless steel hose clamps on all connections. Works great!

Very similar to oxy blue coops original set up. I kept the air ram tube from the bumper cowl up to where the air box/baffle chamber used to be to move more cold air into the engine bay. I have pictures, not sure how to post them. Send me PM and I can send them to you, if interested. A lot louder on acceleration and almost sounds like it has an open exhaust---it's amazing how much noise canceling is engineered into a factory air box and baffle.

Thanks for all the ideas on this link....
I'll bet your neighbors love to hear you coming .

Jim
 
  #45  
Old 08-28-2009, 07:54 PM
tfuhst's Avatar
tfuhst
tfuhst is offline
2nd Gear
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts

there's my set up but i oxybluecoop's set up alot more
 
  #46  
Old 08-28-2009, 09:52 PM
ron-s mini's Avatar
ron-s mini
ron-s mini is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (4)
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Sugar Land, TX
Posts: 1,515
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
CAI Setup K&N Appollo

After reading all the post I decided to take the plunge and try my hand at a CAI for my Clubman.

Thanks to all who have posted on this subject especially OXYBLUECOOP.

I decided to go to the front of the car with the inlet as that is where I found the coolest temps in the engine compartment (thought about a lot of other spots such as the fender wells but was concerned about air quality).

I can experiment in the future with the inlet location as the bend out of the filter could easily be turned down to get to locations similar to OXYBLUECOOP's.

I went with the K&N Apollo, it was designed in Europe for small engine applications -- Good flow qualities and it is enclosed (insulated from heat).

I made a aluminum mounting tray that uses the original grommets from the OEM air box and the valve cover mounting bolt. I wanted the unit to be secure and not "bounce" around as the MAF was designed to be bolted on, not clamped. The mounting tray is insulated with Cool-It (Thermo Tec)

All hose is 3" (except at MAF & Manifold inlet) smooth bore hose

Top View


PS View

Close-Up View

Front View

Inlet at Grille-Orig Opening enlarged for 3" Hose

Top View of Mounting Tray 1/8" Aluminum w/ original groummet mounts

Bottom of Mounting Tray Cool-It Insulation

Inlet Hose (3" x 2.75" 45bend and 3" x 2.75" 90bend
w/stainless coupler inside (it is not going to collapse!)
 

Last edited by ron-s mini; 08-29-2009 at 10:18 AM. Reason: typo
  #47  
Old 08-28-2009, 10:08 PM
Oxybluecoop's Avatar
Oxybluecoop
Oxybluecoop is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (-1)
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Morgan,UT
Posts: 2,976
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
WOW! That's some nice work. Might I recommend an oil catch canister to top everything off. You'd be surprised how much oil comes through that hose and makes it's way to the intake runners.
 
  #48  
Old 08-29-2009, 04:45 AM
jbewley
jbewley is offline
5th Gear
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Emmitsburg, MD
Posts: 752
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ron-s mini View Post
After reading all the post I decided to take the plunge and try my hand at a CAI for my Clubman.

Thanks to all who have posted on this subject especially OXYBLUECOOP.

I decided to go to the front of the car with the inlet as that is where I found the coolest temps in the engine compartment (thought about a lot of other spots such as the fender wells but was concerned about air quality).

I can experiment in the future with the inlet location as the bend out of the filter could easily be turned down to get to locations similar to OXYBLUECOOP's.

I went with the K&N Apollo, it was designed in Europe for small engine applications -- Good flow qualities and it is enclosed (insulated from heat).

I made a aluminum mounting tray that uses the original grommets from the OEM air box and the valve cover mounting bolt. I wanted the unit to be secure and not "bounce" around as the MAF was designed to be bolted on, not clamped. The mounting tray is insulated with Cool-It (Thermo Tec)

All hose is 3" (except at MAF & Manifold inlet) smooth bore hose

Top View


PS View

Close-Up View

Front View

Inlet at Grille-Orig Opening enlarged for 3" Hose

Top View of Mounting Tray 1/8" Aluminum w/ original groummet mounts

Bottom of Mounting Tray Cool-It Insulation

Inlet Hose (3" x 2.25" 45bend and 3" x 2.25" 90bend
w/stainless coupler inside (it is not going to collapse!)
Very nice work indeed.

Jim
 
  #49  
Old 09-01-2009, 08:21 AM
snmblair's Avatar
snmblair
snmblair is offline
Neutral
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
CAI

Some amazing work and great ideas lately. I was wondering if anyone has used the Helix DDM? I am considering the K&N Apollo or the VIP2, but the DDM looks pretty good too.
 
  #50  
Old 09-10-2009, 08:31 PM
Greg Davis
Greg Davis is offline
4th Gear
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Matthews, NC
Posts: 423
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I ordered the complete K&N kit this week so it should be here in a few days. I'll let everyone know how it goes once it's here and installed.
 

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Clubman CAI


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: