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Mine is doing it also...it started when I went for service about a month and a half ago and they installed a ECU update- something dealing with the exhaust. It tries to stall shortly after startup in the morning but is usually fine after that. It does seem to idle strange every once and a while when sitting at a stop light- it didn't do any of this before the "update". I'll try the midgrade gas and see if that makes a difference.
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I think your having a bit of a different problem then this thread is discussing. Your problem is cranking it over in the first place, most people in this thread are having problems with stumbling once the car is cranked over on cold start. And some of those people are having problems with their eventually stalling during that start at idle.
nope, this is exactly what happens to me too.won't start the first time-always starts the second time, always stumbles at first launch.
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nope, this is exactly what happens to me too.won't start the first time-always starts the second time, always stumbles at first launch.
Same here. Not every time though. I do what Andy does quick try and then the 2nd one works all the time. I was wondering if it was a fuel system pressure problem or air in the sytem builds up and need the two time to pressurizez. (just guessing, don't know how the fuel system actually works).
Paul
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The last software update (I believe either version 39 or 40) had some EPA mandated "Fixes" for emissions but unfortunately MINIUSA screwed up something in the programming code and now everyone is having this problem, regardless of model/year. Different formulations for summer/winter gas seem to confuse the computer at startup, hence causing the drop in RPM idle or near stall complaints.
MINIUSA, are you looking into these complaints?
This is partly the same problem that I am having. All post EPA mandated "Fixes". It is also harder to start, needs to turn over longer before it catches. Sometimes it will stall.
Worse, is that I now seem to have the dreaded "Yo-yo" disease. Transitioning from acceleration to off-throttle operation I get a feeling as thought there is rubber, or a big spring, in the drivetrain. I get a few bounces and then it settles down. Never had it before the "Fix".
What can I do now?
MINIUSA, are you looking into these complaints????
My '04 MCS starts, then stalls out. Ok after second try but as I'm sure everyone agrees, this is embarrasing and totally unacceptable for a newer car. What is the permanent fix?
nope, this is exactly what happens to me too.won't start the first time-always starts the second time, always stumbles at first launch.
But you don't understand that is not the topic of this thread.... The thread is for people who have no problem starting the car the first time but then it suddently stumbles twice before warming up and sometimes stalls.
Not being able to start on the first turn of the key is something different than what this thread is about.
My MINI just came over on the BOHEME. I have not taken delivery yet.
I have emailed my MA.
I will not take delivery of the car with this problem.
Not to worry, nightbirdflyin. It does not happen on all vehicles. I would guess that you have a better than 95% chance that you will have no problem.:smile:
Enjoy it when you get it. There is nothing else like it.
If they start the car at all before you get there to pick it up, you won't know if it does it or not anyway. It only happens after it sits, usualyl overnight, and only does it to me when it's cooler. It never does it leaving work, only in the morning.
But you don't understand that is not the topic of this thread.... The thread is for people who have no problem starting the car the first time but then it suddently stumbles twice before warming up and sometimes stalls.
Not being able to start on the first turn of the key is something different than what this thread is about.
The initial post that started the thread:
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Is your car stalling upon starting the car?
This has become like a MINI flu. Alot of people on NEMINI.org have been complaining about this and well..there hasn't been one dealer yet to fix this issue. The problem mainly occurs after the car has been sitting for a long time and when you go to start it, it starts to choke up and stall. If you are having this issue please post about it. I'd like to take this thread and forward it to MINIUSA directly.
I originally thought it was just the 2005 models but my friend with a 2003 is now having the same issue aswell.
Also, can a moderator please sticky this if possible. Thank you!
Thats exactly what mine does. Starts first shot goes up to about 2k then just dies. So that "starting the first time isn't really starting. Ithink holdenontoit does have the subjetc of this thread.
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nope, this is exactly what happens to me too.won't start the first time-always starts the second time, always stumbles at first launch.
But you don't understand that is not the topic of this thread.... The thread is for people who have no problem starting the car the first time but then it suddently stumbles twice before warming up and sometimes stalls.
Not being able to start on the first turn of the key is something different than what this thread is about.
I have an 05 MCSm that has been coughing at startup after idling for at least 5-6 hours. I gas it a bit and it sputters for 10 seconds and then all is fine. It's never stalled on me though. This all started a little over a month ago when the weather started warming. I live in Illinois and had no issues during the cold winter. I mostly use 89 octane but sometimes mix in the 92 or 93 stuff (91 is not available anywhere). At first I thought I had bad gas or something was wrong but it appears that this is a common fault of the car. The problem has eased some the last week or two so I have put off bringing to the dealer. I had an 03 MCSm for 3 years and NEVER had this issue - not once.
I have an 05 MCSm that has been coughing at startup after idling for at least 5-6 hours. I gas it a bit and it sputters for 10 seconds and then all is fine. It's never stalled on me though. This all started a little over a month ago when the weather started warming. I live in Illinois and had no issues during the cold winter. I mostly use 89 octane but sometimes mix in the 92 or 93 stuff (91 is not available anywhere). At first I thought I had bad gas or something was wrong but it appears that this is a common fault of the car. The problem has eased some the last week or two so I have put off bringing to the dealer. I had an 03 MCSm for 3 years and NEVER had this issue - not once.
You know you can be damaging the engine by not running the recommended 93 octane and they can possibly deny you warranty coverage in the future if they find your not using the correct gas....
same here. Almost everyday when my mini has been sitting overnight and I go to start it sometimes it will turn over and over for almost 8-10 seconds before it starts, and when it does, it will sound rough for a couple of seconds. I will be at an event at my dealer this saturday so I will speak with them then and see if they have heard anything about it.
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I believe recommended octane is 91 but that is hard to find in the US. You will not lose any of your warranty by using 89 octane.
My Manual and Fuel filler cap both say Premium which has always been 93 in my neck of the woods.
Your ECU is programed to for 93/premium octane fuel. You may not feel a difference in daily driving. Different octance fuels burn at different temps and speeds which again your engine is tuned to. So if you car asks for 93 then fill it with 93. If your car asks for 89 then fill it only with 89 and never 93 as it can throw the timing off.
same here. Almost everyday when my mini has been sitting overnight and I go to start it sometimes it will turn over and over for almost 8-10 seconds before it starts, and when it does, it will sound rough for a couple of seconds. I will be at an event at my dealer this saturday so I will speak with them then and see if they have heard anything about it.
Oh boy, looks like this point it going to be hard to get accross.....
I reported earlier in the thread that I have the problem of the idle speed dropping and the engine stumbling 10 to 15 seconds after a successful cold start. The problem began as the weather got warmer this spring. I live in a small town with limited options on name brand gasoline and being a creature of habit I have purchased only Shell since bringing my MINI home. A couple of days ago, my wife bought me a tank of Marathon. I now have 8 cold starts with no strange idle speed drops. Now, I know Marathon is not a universal fix, because OKMini in Ohio reported the problem and Marathon was one of his brands.
These cars should run with any in spec gasoline, but if the problem annoys you (it does me), you might want to experiment.
I think its the same problem, just a more extreme version. Mine starts and then dies the first start up as if it runs out of fuel.
Those that it wont start on the first time seems to have the same fuel problem, no fuel then after cranking again the fuel get there.
If you think they are unrelated, It would seem that you would know what the problem is or have your theory, what do you think it is?
Paul
Now thats a different story, before you had just said it didn't start on the first try and always had to be started twice. You didn't say that it would start first try most times and then stumble to a stall.
Not starting on the first try seems to be a more extreme case that only happens to a much smaller percentage of people.
