Navigation & Audio Want to upgrade from Hi-Fi to Harman Kardon
#151
12-15-2010, 07:20 AM
ECS tuning is another source for OEM parts. http://www.ecstuning.com/Mini-2008-C...M_Parts_Index/
#152
12-15-2010, 06:48 PM
With thanks to this thread for the proper part numbers, I've been slowly swapping in the H/Ks for the original HiFi speakers as the parts come in.
I did the front A-pillars first. I was worried that the pillars I ordered were going to be beige in color due to the 2011s using this color now if you don't order the headliner in black, and I clearly wasn't thinking it through. Needlessly to say, they are a perfect match color-wise. After installation I was able to notice a small improvement overall even with this one singular change, but my test audio track in this case contains oboes and a string section which would tend to highlight the tweets I would think.
I did the rear 6x9s and tweets the next day. I was able to get the rear trim removed without breaking any clips, thanks in part to the forum members who went before me and the BMW TIS DVD I obtained about a year ago that finally came in handy. Post-install, there is definitely a perceived improvement.
I'm still waiting on the woofers and mids for the doors to come in.
As an aside, running the TIS software on a PC, which you then RDP to from an iPad makes for one very slick, if expensive, electronic shop manual.
I did the front A-pillars first. I was worried that the pillars I ordered were going to be beige in color due to the 2011s using this color now if you don't order the headliner in black, and I clearly wasn't thinking it through. Needlessly to say, they are a perfect match color-wise. After installation I was able to notice a small improvement overall even with this one singular change, but my test audio track in this case contains oboes and a string section which would tend to highlight the tweets I would think.
I did the rear 6x9s and tweets the next day. I was able to get the rear trim removed without breaking any clips, thanks in part to the forum members who went before me and the BMW TIS DVD I obtained about a year ago that finally came in handy. Post-install, there is definitely a perceived improvement.
I'm still waiting on the woofers and mids for the doors to come in.
As an aside, running the TIS software on a PC, which you then RDP to from an iPad makes for one very slick, if expensive, electronic shop manual.
#153
12-15-2010, 07:57 PM
The USB is handy, though… I also use it with the Bavarian Technic tool, and to update my radar detector.
#154
12-15-2010, 10:31 PM
I got a little netbook for this purpose…. of course there's no CD drive, so I use a virtual CD-ROM program to mount an image of the TIS disk, but it works fairly well.
The USB is handy, though… I also use it with the Bavarian Technic tool, and to update my radar detector.
The USB is handy, though… I also use it with the Bavarian Technic tool, and to update my radar detector.
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12-15-2010, 11:23 PM
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12-16-2010, 10:08 AM
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Okay I have some technical information for those swapping amplifiers! I was able to get my hands on a 2010 with the HK and was able to look at the coding information.
If you have swapped your amp you should keep your original amp and reinstall it before you go to the dealer as the different amp will confuse their software and cause the programming software to stop because the HIFI amp is missing.
I highly recommend that if you have access to NCS expert (see my thread about closing the sunroof and windows with the FOB) you can update your Vehicle Order to "officially" retrofit the HK amp (by removing the option code for the HIFI and adding the HK, refered to as "branded HIFI" option code)
Upon doing this, you can reset your radio module which will load the HK amp volume settings and DSP settings. However, I can bet that if your car has not had all of the modules updated (all modules update by default when the dealer connects the car to ISTA/P, which means your radio will have the latest firmware which includes the profile for the "branded HIFI amp") in the past year or so you will not have the head unit profile for the HK amp. But if your car has been recently updated the head unit will automaticly set it self up for the HK amp.
And since I was able to compare line-by-line with the HK vs my HIFI there are two settings including the volume profile and filter profile that get changed.
If you do get the Vehicle Order updated the dealer will have no trouble connecting your car to ISTA/P and if there is an update for the amp, that will install just fine as well.
If you have swapped your amp you should keep your original amp and reinstall it before you go to the dealer as the different amp will confuse their software and cause the programming software to stop because the HIFI amp is missing.
I highly recommend that if you have access to NCS expert (see my thread about closing the sunroof and windows with the FOB) you can update your Vehicle Order to "officially" retrofit the HK amp (by removing the option code for the HIFI and adding the HK, refered to as "branded HIFI" option code)
Upon doing this, you can reset your radio module which will load the HK amp volume settings and DSP settings. However, I can bet that if your car has not had all of the modules updated (all modules update by default when the dealer connects the car to ISTA/P, which means your radio will have the latest firmware which includes the profile for the "branded HIFI amp") in the past year or so you will not have the head unit profile for the HK amp. But if your car has been recently updated the head unit will automaticly set it self up for the HK amp.
And since I was able to compare line-by-line with the HK vs my HIFI there are two settings including the volume profile and filter profile that get changed.
If you do get the Vehicle Order updated the dealer will have no trouble connecting your car to ISTA/P and if there is an update for the amp, that will install just fine as well.
#158
12-16-2010, 11:50 AM
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG !!!
strobeyprobey for president!
seriously, you just showed me there may be light at the end of this $600 tunnel I dug by buying that HK brick... I mean, amp.
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EDIT:
In that thread you reference, you say:
My car was built in Jan 2009.
What does the above mean for me (in terms of the HK amp, but also in terms of any of the other cool programming stuff that fancy $120 cable opens the door to)?
strobeyprobey for president!
seriously, you just showed me there may be light at the end of this $600 tunnel I dug by buying that HK brick... I mean, amp.
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EDIT:
In that thread you reference, you say:
What does the above mean for me (in terms of the HK amp, but also in terms of any of the other cool programming stuff that fancy $120 cable opens the door to)?
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12-16-2010, 02:14 PM
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However, you can get around that and get acess to the latest version of ISTA/P by using minitechinfo.com and a J2534 PassThroughTool. But the J2534 interfaces are expensive, check for the thread on this board about that interface.
So what does that mean for you and your amp situation? Luckily, NOTHING!
You will still be able to connect the $120 EDIABAS cable to your car and run NCS Expert to modify your vehicle order with the HK amp. I am not sure if your 1/09 build car will have a late enough version of the firmware/software to include the HK amp settings in your head unit/radio module (There is a file I will reference later tonight that does seem to have dates that maybe I can pin point, like for example if you have had to have your car reprogrammed for malfunctioning windows in the past year you should be good).
With NCS you can do things like make your windows roll up with the fob, remove bulb checks (in case you want to go to LEDs), retrofit equipment like HID & bluetooth & IBOC (I programmed both bluetooth & iboc last week) & fogs & other modules & etc, remove the seat belt chime, remove the 37°F chime, change cluster so the speed will always show in the upper BC window (I LOVE this mod), and a few others.
Also with the $120 cable you can get DIS v57 running that contains all of the diagnostic capabilities the dealer has. It will check, reset and clear all codes and give you operating values and system messages you can't normally see (like mis-fires, low voltages, etc). Also DIS gives you the ability to turn on and off each individual system in the car, like just the radiator fan, just the blower, each solenoid in your auto tranny, each individual light bulb in the car, each speaker with a test tone. I used DIS to reset my airbag light because I turned the key on when I had the driver seat out during the BT install.
#160
12-16-2010, 03:07 PM
Wow. Well, when faced such a wealth of information regarding a method allowing one to tailor the behavior of your MINI to exactly your liking and reduce your reliance on the dealer for technical operations, there really is only one thing to say to that: You go to hell strobeyprobey. 
You have exposed me to something that, through a combination of sheer curiosity and slightly more money than sense, I will have to buy so I can tinker. Another tome of unearthly knowledge now lays before me, and it is futile to think I'll be able to resist the call of being able to roll up my windows from the key fob, or change the cluster on a 2011 so the speed doesn't always show in the upper BC window (because I hate that mod).
Seriously though dude; Rock. On.
You have exposed me to something that, through a combination of sheer curiosity and slightly more money than sense, I will have to buy so I can tinker. Another tome of unearthly knowledge now lays before me, and it is futile to think I'll be able to resist the call of being able to roll up my windows from the key fob, or change the cluster on a 2011 so the speed doesn't always show in the upper BC window (because I hate that mod).
Seriously though dude; Rock. On.
#161
12-16-2010, 03:07 PM
So, in essence, with the EDIABAS cable, you can toggle bits for settings and such in module firmware... but you need the more expensive J2534 cable to flash new/updated firmware to these modules... right?
I remember a discussion about the J2534 cable, and I had asked in the past if it could be used to get my amp working properly, but I just couldn't justify dropping that kind of money (plus the cost of an external power supply for the car) after all I had already spent on the HK sound retrofit. But $120... *and* the ability to flip all these other software switches? I can swing that.
EDIT:
Here's a thought... I already have a Bavarian Technic diagnostic tool. Do you know if (or suspect) that cable might work with the NCS Expert tool?
EDIT, EDIT:
Taking this to a relative extreme, might I be able to retrofit the new hi-res navigation and 'connected' features using kindly dealership technicians for firmware updates and this cable & NCS Expert to update my vehicle order? Or would that be asking too much of this tool and technique?
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Side question:
I had a sticky sunroof this past summer, and the dealership said it needed a reprogramming to be fixed. Also, just a few weeks ago, the dealership tried to update the firmware on my HK amp to see if that would fix the issue I was having with it (it didn't... they could see an update was available, but it kept crapping out halfway through). Would either/both of these events have caused all my modules to be updated through ISTA/P?
It sounds like the answer is 'yes' (at least to the sunroof one; maybe not the failed amp update one), but I want to check.
I remember a discussion about the J2534 cable, and I had asked in the past if it could be used to get my amp working properly, but I just couldn't justify dropping that kind of money (plus the cost of an external power supply for the car) after all I had already spent on the HK sound retrofit. But $120... *and* the ability to flip all these other software switches? I can swing that.
EDIT:
Here's a thought... I already have a Bavarian Technic diagnostic tool. Do you know if (or suspect) that cable might work with the NCS Expert tool?
EDIT, EDIT:
Taking this to a relative extreme, might I be able to retrofit the new hi-res navigation and 'connected' features using kindly dealership technicians for firmware updates and this cable & NCS Expert to update my vehicle order? Or would that be asking too much of this tool and technique?
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Side question:
I had a sticky sunroof this past summer, and the dealership said it needed a reprogramming to be fixed. Also, just a few weeks ago, the dealership tried to update the firmware on my HK amp to see if that would fix the issue I was having with it (it didn't... they could see an update was available, but it kept crapping out halfway through). Would either/both of these events have caused all my modules to be updated through ISTA/P?
It sounds like the answer is 'yes' (at least to the sunroof one; maybe not the failed amp update one), but I want to check.
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12-16-2010, 05:25 PM
Here's a thought... I already have a Bavarian Technic diagnostic tool. Do you know if (or suspect) that cable might work with the NCS Expert tool?
#163
12-16-2010, 05:27 PM
No, I knew that... I mean for bit toggling through NCS Expert; like the $120 EDIABAS cable.
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12-16-2010, 05:40 PM
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I remember a discussion about the J2534 cable, and I had asked in the past if it could be used to get my amp working properly, but I just couldn't justify dropping that kind of money (plus the cost of an external power supply for the car) after all I had already spent on the HK sound retrofit. But $120... *and* the ability to flip all these other software switches? I can swing that.
EDIT:
Here's a thought... I already have a Bavarian Technic diagnostic tool. Do you know if (or suspect) that cable might work with the NCS Expert tool?
EDIT, EDIT:
Taking this to a relative extreme, might I be able to retrofit the new hi-res navigation and 'connected' features using kindly dealership technicians for firmware updates and this cable & NCS Expert to update my vehicle order? Or would that be asking too much of this tool and technique?
Side question:
I had a sticky sunroof this past summer, and the dealership said it needed a reprogramming to be fixed. Also, just a few weeks ago, the dealership tried to update the firmware on my HK amp to see if that would fix the issue I was having with it (it didn't... they could see an update was available, but it kept crapping out halfway through). Would either/both of these events have caused all my modules to be updated through ISTA/P?
It sounds like the answer is 'yes' (at least to the sunroof one; maybe not the failed amp update one), but I want to check.
Now I don't know if the dealer ISTA/P allows for a retrofit of the HK amp. Did your dealer do that?
If not, I wouldn't be surprised their software crashed upon trying to update the amp because it may have been looking for the HIFI amp because of the VO.
The option code for the HIFI amp is $6FD and the HK amp is $674
BTW the file with all of the Vehicle Order option codes has the following interesting entries:
Code:
W 6FB RADIO_1 //Radio Mini Wave CD //Radio Mini CD W 6FC RADIO_2 //Radio Mini Boost CD //Radio Mini Boost CD, frei wählbar W 6FD HIFI_SYSTEM //MINI HiFi Loadspeaker System //MINI HiFi Lautsprechersystem W 6FL AUDIOPLAYER_USB //USB-/Audio Interface //USB-Audio-Schnittstelle nur für LA Korea, SOP 10-03-500 W 6FP RADIO_BOOST //Radio MINI Visual Boost //Radio Mini Visual Boost, PN A50751, bedeutet CHAMP2, Ausschluß zu SA 606, Zwang zu SA 6ND W 6ND TEL_API //Bluetooth Handset Free Kit With USB/Audio Interface //Freisprecheinrichtung Bluetooth mit USB/Audio-Schnittstelle, nur mit SA 6FC oder 6FP W 6NE TEL_API_USB //Bluetooth Mobilephone Preparation with USB/Audio Interface //Handy Vorbereitung Bluetooth mit USB-Schnittstelle W 6NF TEL_API_SMART //Smartphone Preparation //Smartphone Vorbereitung Bluetooth mit USB/Audio-Schnittstelle Zwang zu SA 6ND, Ausschluß zu LA 807, nur mit SA 6FC, frei wählbar in Verbindung mit 6FP bzw. SA 606 W 6NM //MINI_CONNECTED //MINI Connected //MINI Connected "A4A" Zwang zu SA 6FP oder SA 606, Ausschluß zu 6FC, frei wählbar in Verbindung mit 6FP bzw. SA 606 W 6S1 TUERKISCH // //Sprachversion Türkisch W 6S2 GRIECHISCH // //Sprachversion Griechisch, gem. PN 54693 vom 05.02. nur für BN2020 W 6S3 PORTUGIESISCH // //Sprachversion Portugiesisch W 6S4 SCHWEDISCH // //Sprachversion Schwedisch W 6UD RUSSISCH //Language Version Russian (English, German) //Sprachvarsion Russisch W 6UF PRE_NAVI //Preparatinon for Navigation System //Navigationssystem Vorbereitung W 6UH TRAFFIC_INFO //Traffic Information //Traffic Information W 6UL //Navigation System Portable (Pseudo Aftermarket SA), PA425/158, kein Anschluß an das Bordnetz, nur Spg-Versorgung W 6VC COMBOX //Control Combox //Steuerung Combox W 601 V0810 TV //TV Function //TV-Funktion, nur in Verbindung mit SA 609 Navigation, entfällt zu MÜTÜ W 606 NAVI_BUSINESS //Navigation System Business //Navigationssystem Business, nicht in Verbindung mit SA 6FP W 609 V0810 NAVIGATION CCC //Navigation System Professionell //Navigationssystem Professional, entfällt zu 09/2010 mit MÜTÜ, PA131/007 W 674 HIFI_KARDON //Hifi Loudspeaker System Harman Kardon //hifi-system Harman Kardon
So I have GOOD news for you, digging through a file that appears to be a changelog for ISTA/P I found this entry:
Code:
//NAEL VORAB.X xa 28.08.08 EI-73 Michael Huth (Hu)
18.08.08 Hu AT - new ASW "HIFI_KARDON" for SA674 integrated
So comparing the radio module from my car and the 2010 with the HK here is the interesting differences I spotted:
HK:
Code:
VOLUME_STEPS e91 r56_hifi_branded VOL_GONG_MIN_RAD2 r55_hifi_branded r56_hifi_branded e93_752 R2_RATIO_AUDIO_SOURCES r56_hifi_branded r56_hifi_branded_us RAD2_CROSSOVER pl2_hifi r56_hifi r60_hifi r55_hifi RAD2_VOLUME_TABLE r56_hifi_branded
HIFI:
Code:
VOLUME_STEPS
r56
VOL_GONG_MIN_RAD2
e82_stereo
e92_stereo
r56_hifi
r57_hifi
R2_RATIO_AUDIO_SOURCES
r56_hifi_us
RAD2_CROSSOVER
pl2_hifi
r56_hifi
r60_hifi
r55_hifi
RAD2_VOLUME_TABLE
r56_hifi
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12-16-2010, 05:54 PM
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If any one is curious here are the options that are present in the radio module trace file (the 2010 with bluetooth, usb & HK), many of the options don't really do anything (I have tried many of them) but some of them do!
If you are anywhere near the Twin Cities drive on over and I can make the changes for you!
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MUTE_TIMES pl2 SOFTEN_ENTERTAINMENT_PDC nicht_aktiv aktiv KEY_MEMORY_R aktiv CODIERUNG_ERFOLGT codierung_erfolgt BAUREIHEX r56 PDC nicht_aktiv ACC nicht_aktiv CDC nicht_aktiv SDARS nicht_aktiv IBOC nicht_aktiv RIGHTHAND nicht_aktiv TCU_ECE nicht_aktiv ULF_ECE aktiv BMW_MOBILE_SERVICE nicht_aktiv BMW_HOME_DEALER nicht_aktiv AUX_RAD aux RING_STATUS aktiv BMW_TELESERVICE_ONLY nicht_aktiv BMW_AKD nicht_aktiv BMW_INITIALIZE nicht_aktiv BMW_PHONE_SERVICES nicht_aktiv BMW_ROAMING nicht_aktiv BLUETOOTH_RAD2 aktiv HI_TEMP_VOL_CTRL pl2_hifi pl3_hifi SMS_RAD2 nicht_aktiv AUDIO_SYSTEM pl2_hifi pl3_hifi STANDHEIZUNG nicht_aktiv DAB nicht_aktiv ABS_VOL_GONG r56_hifi_0907 BMW_ASSIST_RAD2 nicht_aktiv BMW_HOTLINE_RAD2 nicht_aktiv CAR_COMP_ACTIVE aktiv CONTACT_NR_DEALER aktiv CONTACT_NR_HOTLINE aktiv CONTACT_NR_MOBILE_SRVC aktiv PHONE_BUSINESS_R2 nicht_aktiv SDV_CURVE wert_02 SVS_LOW_RAD2 aktiv TCU_*** nicht_aktiv VEHICLE_FILTERS pl2_hifi r55_hifi r56_hifi r60_hifi r57_hifi VOL_TEL_MIN wert_0 MY_INFO_RAD2 nicht_aktiv V_INFO_RAD2 nicht_aktiv PHONE_PROF_RAD2 nicht_aktiv USB_RAD2 aktiv DELTA_NAV_ENT standard pl2 pl2_top_hifi mca PDC_ADAPTION_F_R wert_0 e81_stereo r55_stereo r60_stereo r57_stereo r55_hifi r55_hifi_branded r56_hifi r56_hifi_branded r57_hifi_branded RATIO_GONGS r55_stereo r55_hifi_branded r56_hifi r56_hifi_branded r57_hifi e82_top_hifi e9x_752 e90_752 e92_752 TIME_OUT_GONG wert_0 VOL_NAV_MAX standard pl2 pl2_top_hifi mca VOL_NAV_MIN standard pl2 pl2_top_hifi VOL_TEL_MAX_RAD wert_0 VOLUME_STEPS e91 r56_hifi_branded AUDIO_MIXING_CONCEPT on CENTER_VALUE_VOL_TP_MIN wert_0 DELTA_GONG_ENT_RAD2 wert_0 DELTA_PDC_ENT_RAD2 wert_0 GONG_PDC_DISPLAY aktiv GONGS aktiv VEHICLE_FINDER_MODE nicht_aktiv VOL_GONG_MAX_RAD2 e81_stereo e87_stereo e90_stereo e91_stereo e93_stereo r60_stereo r57_stereo r56_hifi r56_hifi_branded VOL_GONG_MIN_RAD2 r55_hifi_branded r56_hifi_branded e93_752 VOL_PDC_MAX_RAD2 e81_hifi e82_hifi e88_hifi r55_hifi_branded r56_hifi_branded r60_hifi_branded e92_top_hifi VOL_PDC_MIN_RAD2 e81_stereo e82_stereo r60_stereo e91_hifi r55_hifi_branded r56_hifi r56_hifi_branded e91_752 VOL_RING_MAX wert_0 VOL_RING_MIN wert_0 VOL_SRS_MAX wert_0 VOL_SRS_MIN wert_0 M_GROUP_B off VOLUME_MAX_ON_C50 standard COUNTRYCODE_RADIO_2 us R2_RATIO_AUDIO_SOURCES r56_hifi_branded r56_hifi_branded_us RAD2_CROSSOVER pl2_hifi r56_hifi r60_hifi r55_hifi RAD2_DISPLAY_LOGIC7 nicht_aktiv RAD2_VOLUME_TABLE r56_hifi_branded TIME_DIST_SAME_PRIO_RAD2 pl3 STOLEN_VEHICLE_MODE_20 nicht_aktiv BASS_MSA l3_stereo wert_0 R2_MONO_ANALOG_IN tel_mute_off VOL_MSA l3_stereo wert_0 MCA off
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#166
12-16-2010, 06:18 PM
Wow, lots of good info! Thanks again!
It's been long enough that I don't remember. I'll see if the service ticket offers any clues, but I don't really expect it to.
I'm fairly certain it's the latter. They said they could see an update (for the amplifier, not the head unit) available, and they could tell it to start, but the update would quit halfway. Their best guess was that the car didn't recognize it as a valid configuration (it was presented to me by the SA as an educated guess of the technicians, not as an established fact). The whole things sounds a lot like what you described earlier would happen if one didn't put the original HiFi unit in the car when going in for an update.
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So, I ordered a cable from that same guy you did about 5 minutes after reading your initial 'technical info for HK amp retrofitters' post. It's been a few hours now, and I find myself already jonesing for that package!
... how long did you say it took to arrive at your door?
Also, any idea if the necessary software will work under 32-bit Windows 7?
I saw that you used XP, but I don't think I have a copy of that floating around here at the moment.
If they, in fact, reprogrammed the car for the sunroof, not just the initialization that requires holding the sunroof button for a period of time, you should have a pretty recent firmware version on each module. You would know because all of your radio presets would have been lost and your car/lighting customizations would have been lost when you got the car back.
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So, I ordered a cable from that same guy you did about 5 minutes after reading your initial 'technical info for HK amp retrofitters' post. It's been a few hours now, and I find myself already jonesing for that package!
... how long did you say it took to arrive at your door?Also, any idea if the necessary software will work under 32-bit Windows 7?
I saw that you used XP, but I don't think I have a copy of that floating around here at the moment.
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Strobeyprobey - My buddy and I are waiting for our wire from Hong Kong. He actually turned me onto the NCS Expert before all of your posts (for his 328)....so I was wondering if you saw any information in there about sending "full signal" to the rear speakers?
I'm definitely going for the open/close with the fob and the seat belt chime when the wire arrives.
You say, "With NCS you can do things like make your windows roll up with the fob, remove bulb checks (in case you want to go to LEDs), retrofit equipment like HID & bluetooth & IBOC (I programmed both bluetooth & iboc last week) & fogs & other modules & etc, remove the seat belt chime, remove the 37°F chime, change cluster so the speed will always show in the upper BC window (I LOVE this mod), and a few others".
What else have you noticed while you were in there? I'm not planning to do this but realistically it seems you should be able to set the odometer back as well...
I'm definitely going for the open/close with the fob and the seat belt chime when the wire arrives.
You say, "With NCS you can do things like make your windows roll up with the fob, remove bulb checks (in case you want to go to LEDs), retrofit equipment like HID & bluetooth & IBOC (I programmed both bluetooth & iboc last week) & fogs & other modules & etc, remove the seat belt chime, remove the 37°F chime, change cluster so the speed will always show in the upper BC window (I LOVE this mod), and a few others".
What else have you noticed while you were in there? I'm not planning to do this but realistically it seems you should be able to set the odometer back as well...
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12-16-2010, 06:51 PM
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No, the odometer will not be re-setable. The odometer is stored a few different modules including the cluster (tach & speedo unit) and the engine computer module. You would have to replace every computer that stores the mileage and get it resynced to the car. But even then the cluster probably would give you a tamper alert.
There maybe other cool things, like enabling more CBS indicators, but I really don't know. I want to get BFD (brake force display) to work. Also you can enable front fogs on with high beams.
The full signal to the rears would probably come from the entry I noted above (I haven't had a non-amp car to compare too) called
RAD2_CROSSOVER
pl2_hifi
r56_hifi
r60_hifi
r55_hifi
and
VEHICLE_FILTERS
* pl2_hifi
* r55_hifi
* r56_hifi
* r60_hifi
* r57_hifi
There maybe other cool things, like enabling more CBS indicators, but I really don't know. I want to get BFD (brake force display) to work. Also you can enable front fogs on with high beams.
The full signal to the rears would probably come from the entry I noted above (I haven't had a non-amp car to compare too) called
RAD2_CROSSOVER
pl2_hifi
r56_hifi
r60_hifi
r55_hifi
and
VEHICLE_FILTERS
* pl2_hifi
* r55_hifi
* r56_hifi
* r60_hifi
* r57_hifi
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12-16-2010, 06:59 PM
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So, I ordered a cable from that same guy you did about 5 minutes after reading your initial 'technical info for HK amp retrofitters' post. It's been a few hours now, and I find myself already jonesing for that package! ... how long did you say it took to arrive at your door?
Also, any idea if the necessary software will work under 32-bit Windows 7?
I saw that you used XP, but I don't think I have a copy of that floating around here at the moment.
... how long did you say it took to arrive at your door?Also, any idea if the necessary software will work under 32-bit Windows 7?
I saw that you used XP, but I don't think I have a copy of that floating around here at the moment.
There are a few more tidbits you will want to get, on the diagnostic software site you will want to get into the 4Shared site referenced many times and get the guides for NCS.
There is one PDF in particular (that I can dig up too) that describes how to modify your vehicle order. Using the expert profile. In the R56 the VO is stored in the FRM and CAS modules. Once those two modules have been updated, you will want to "default" your radio module by Processing the 2RAD module without trace file manipulation enabled.
I do want to caution you to spend the next couple of weeks reading EVERY bit of information you can on that Diagnostic Software forum. Getting this to run and work is not trivial and if you are not careful you could goof the car up! As long as you are careful with NCS and stick to the radio, FRM, abg and CAS modules and CAREFULLY follow the directions in the NCS dummy post for tracefile manipulation you can really go to town trying new options in those modules because you can default them back.
You and possibly me (since I am considering the HK upgrade) really lucked out that I had an HK equipped loaner this week! And I almost didn't think to connect up the car to read the radio module!
Last edited by strobeyprobey; 12-16-2010 at 07:05 PM.
#170
12-19-2010, 01:14 PM
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Okay I have more information for the audio crowd here, I was able to pull information from the non-amp Boost system in an R55 and can now see the difference in the settings in NCS for that! So for the people that want to rid their car of the 100Hz cuttoff, these are the settings I see are different between HIFI and non-HIFI:
Realistically, the only settings you would probably need to get rid of the 100Hz cutoff is the VEHICLE_FILTERS or RAD2_CROSSOVER. My money would be on the crossover, changing that to the HIFI would probably do it.
NO AMP:
HIFI:
Here is the entire file if anyone is curious:
Realistically, the only settings you would probably need to get rid of the 100Hz cutoff is the VEHICLE_FILTERS or RAD2_CROSSOVER. My money would be on the crossover, changing that to the HIFI would probably do it.
NO AMP:
Code:
HI_TEMP_VOL_CTRL pl2_stereo pl3_stereo AUDIO_SYSTEM pl2_stereo pl3_stereo ABS_VOL_GONG r55_stereo VEHICLE_FILTERS r55_stereo VOL_GONG_MAX_RAD2 r55_stereo VOL_GONG_MIN_RAD2 e90_stereo r55_stereo RAD2_CROSSOVER r56_stereo r57_stereo r55_stereo RAD2_VOLUME_TABLE r55_stereo
HIFI:
Code:
HI_TEMP_VOL_CTRL
pl2_hifi
pl3_hifi
AUDIO_SYSTEM AUDIO SYSTEM
* pl2_hifi
* pl3_hifi
ABS_VOL_GONG
* r56_hifi_0907
VEHICLE_FILTERS
* pl2_hifi
* r55_hifi
* r56_hifi
* r60_hifi
* r57_hifi
VOL_GONG_MAX_RAD2
e81_stereo
e87_stereo
e90_stereo
e91_stereo
e93_stereo
r60_stereo
r57_stereo
r56_hifi
r56_hifi_branded
VOL_GONG_MIN_RAD2
e82_stereo
e92_stereo
r56_hifi
r57_hifi
RAD2_CROSSOVER
pl2_hifi
r56_hifi
r60_hifi
r55_hifi
RAD2_VOLUME_TABLE
r56_hifi
Code:
MUTE_TIMES pl2 SOFTEN_ENTERTAINMENT_PDC nicht_aktiv aktiv KEY_MEMORY_R aktiv CODIERUNG_ERFOLGT codierung_erfolgt BAUREIHEX r56 PDC nicht_aktiv ACC nicht_aktiv CDC nicht_aktiv SDARS nicht_aktiv IBOC nicht_aktiv RIGHTHAND nicht_aktiv TCU_ECE nicht_aktiv ULF_ECE nicht_aktiv BMW_MOBILE_SERVICE nicht_aktiv BMW_HOME_DEALER nicht_aktiv AUX_RAD aux RING_STATUS nicht_aktiv BMW_TELESERVICE_ONLY nicht_aktiv BMW_AKD nicht_aktiv BMW_INITIALIZE nicht_aktiv BMW_PHONE_SERVICES nicht_aktiv BMW_ROAMING nicht_aktiv BLUETOOTH_RAD2 nicht_aktiv HI_TEMP_VOL_CTRL pl2_stereo pl3_stereo SMS_RAD2 nicht_aktiv AUDIO_SYSTEM pl2_stereo pl3_stereo STANDHEIZUNG nicht_aktiv DAB nicht_aktiv ABS_VOL_GONG r55_stereo BMW_ASSIST_RAD2 nicht_aktiv BMW_HOTLINE_RAD2 nicht_aktiv CAR_COMP_ACTIVE aktiv CONTACT_NR_DEALER aktiv CONTACT_NR_HOTLINE aktiv CONTACT_NR_MOBILE_SRVC aktiv PHONE_BUSINESS_R2 nicht_aktiv SDV_CURVE wert_02 SVS_LOW_RAD2 nicht_aktiv TCU_*** nicht_aktiv VEHICLE_FILTERS r55_stereo VOL_TEL_MIN wert_0 MY_INFO_RAD2 nicht_aktiv V_INFO_RAD2 nicht_aktiv PHONE_PROF_RAD2 nicht_aktiv USB_RAD2 nicht_aktiv PDC_ADAPTION_F_R wert_0 e81_stereo r55_stereo r60_stereo r57_stereo r55_hifi r55_hifi_branded r56_hifi r56_hifi_branded r57_hifi_branded RATIO_GONGS r55_stereo r55_hifi_branded r56_hifi r56_hifi_branded r57_hifi e82_top_hifi e9x_752 e90_752 e92_752 TIME_OUT_GONG wert_0 VOL_NAV_MIN standard pl2 pl2_top_hifi VOL_TEL_MAX_RAD wert_0 VOLUME_STEPS r55 AUDIO_MIXING_CONCEPT on CENTER_VALUE_VOL_TP_MIN wert_0 DELTA_GONG_ENT_RAD2 wert_0 DELTA_PDC_ENT_RAD2 wert_0 GONG_PDC_DISPLAY aktiv GONGS aktiv VEHICLE_FINDER_MODE nicht_aktiv VOL_GONG_MAX_RAD2 r55_stereo VOL_GONG_MIN_RAD2 e90_stereo r55_stereo VOL_PDC_MAX_RAD2 r55_stereo VOL_PDC_MIN_RAD2 r55_stereo r57_stereo r57_hifi e9x_752 e90_752 e92_752 e93_752 VOL_RING_MAX wert_0 VOL_RING_MIN wert_0 VOL_SRS_MAX wert_0 VOL_SRS_MIN wert_0 M_GROUP_B off VOLUME_MAX_ON_C50 standard COUNTRYCODE_RADIO_2 us RAD2_CROSSOVER r56_stereo r57_stereo r55_stereo RAD2_DISPLAY_LOGIC7 nicht_aktiv RAD2_VOLUME_TABLE r55_stereo TIME_DIST_SAME_PRIO_RAD2 pl3 STOLEN_VEHICLE_MODE_20 nicht_aktiv BASS_MSA l3_stereo wert_0 R2_MONO_ANALOG_IN tel_mute_off VOL_MSA l3_stereo wert_0 MCA off
#171
01-13-2011, 11:54 AM
I highly recommend that if you have access to NCS expert (see my thread about closing the sunroof and windows with the FOB) you can update your Vehicle Order to "officially" retrofit the HK amp (by removing the option code for the HIFI and adding the HK, refered to as "branded HIFI" option code)
The CAS module updates just fine. But when I try and update (or even 'Read ECU' on) the FRM module, I get an error -- "Error in CABD! Look at CABI.ERR and ERROR.LOG! ... "SYS-0005: OBJECT FILE NOT FOUND".
Here's the coding screen after the error; you can see 'Error by running job' there in the status.
One thing I noticed: I have a "FRM_87.PRG" file in the C:\EDIABAS directory somewhere... but no "FRM_70.PRG" file. I suspect that this may be the cause of the error, but I don't know how to fix it. (I'm not going to just rename the file, as that doesn't seem very smart to do blindly.)
Have you run into this before? Any ideas?
A similar error over on the bimmerforums site suggested updating the daten files... but I'm using the ones from the .rar archive you pointed to in your post over in that other thread of yours (and they only supply the *.C?? files that live in C:\NCSEXPER\DATEN\R56... not the *.PRG files over in the C:\EDIABAS directory structure).
Here's the ERROR.LOG file that first "ERROR IN CABD!" notice points to:
ERROR! Modul: LFCDHDIA.CPP (A_PL2FRX.IPS/IPO), Proc: CDHapiResultText, LineNr: 01, ErrorNr: 2000
COAPI-2000: EDIABAS or SGBD error
SYS-0005: OBJECT FILE NOT FOUND
>> ERROR! Modul: COAPI2.CPP, Proc: coapiRunCabd, LineNr: 06, ErrorNr: 2000
CODIERINDEX_LESEN
>> ERROR! Modul: COAPI.CPP, Proc: coapiReadCodierIndexFromSg, LineNr: 05, ErrorNr: 2000
CODIERINDEX_LESEN: A_PL2FRX
>> ERROR! Modul: LFCDHDIA.CPP (A_PL2FRX.IPS/IPO), Proc: CDHapiResultText, LineNr: 01, ErrorNr: 2000
SYS-0005: OBJECT FILE NOT FOUND
>> ERROR! Modul: COAPI2.CPP, Proc: coapiRunCabd, LineNr: 06, ErrorNr: 2000
CODIERDATEN_LESEN
COAPI-2000: EDIABAS or SGBD error
SYS-0005: OBJECT FILE NOT FOUND
>> ERROR! Modul: COAPI2.CPP, Proc: coapiRunCabd, LineNr: 06, ErrorNr: 2000
CODIERINDEX_LESEN
>> ERROR! Modul: COAPI.CPP, Proc: coapiReadCodierIndexFromSg, LineNr: 05, ErrorNr: 2000
CODIERINDEX_LESEN: A_PL2FRX
>> ERROR! Modul: LFCDHDIA.CPP (A_PL2FRX.IPS/IPO), Proc: CDHapiResultText, LineNr: 01, ErrorNr: 2000
SYS-0005: OBJECT FILE NOT FOUND
>> ERROR! Modul: COAPI2.CPP, Proc: coapiRunCabd, LineNr: 06, ErrorNr: 2000
CODIERDATEN_LESEN
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Another thing... I was running into a different error as well... "VIN is faulty".
I was following some 'how to update your VO' PDF that everyone seems to point to over on bimmerforums, and I'd get that error after selecting the R56 chassis and entering in my VIN. If I checked the 'calculate checksum' box, the error didn't appear... but then the VO option list was completely empty.
I was able to work around the error... I think by telling NCS Expert to read the CAS ECU (though without the car in front of me, I couldn't say for sure). But I wonder if this is an expected error, or if something else needs fixing with my setup.
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EDIT: Seems I had completely missed the part in the PDF instructions to run the stuff in the \Step_3\ directory. Now I have a "FRM_70.PRG" file (along with a "FRM_87.PRG" file), and will try to update my Vehicle Order again later tonight if I have time.
Last edited by fishbert; 01-13-2011 at 03:46 PM.
#172
01-13-2011, 06:31 PM
(EDIT: I bet you don't have navigation… that's why. Which modules do you have? I know CAPPL is the navigation module, but I don't know if that would have the equivalent 2RAD settings, and my NCS installation throws an error when I try to talk to CAPPL.)2MULF
4BMOT
ABG
CAPPL
CAS
CAUDI
CGATE
CHOST
CID
CTUNE
DSC
EPS
FRM
HAMP
IHKA
KOMBI
PDC
PGS
RLS
SHD
SPEG
SZL
Last edited by fishbert; 01-13-2011 at 08:50 PM.
#173
01-13-2011, 09:51 PM
Sadness…
It turns out that CAPPL does have equivalent audio settings to the stuff you found in 2RAD. But NCS Dummy tells me the only options available to me are r56_stereo and r56_hifi.
I have updated the Vehicle Order — added $674 (HK amp) and deleted $6DF (Hifi amp) — and installed the HK amp in the back.
Do you think taking it straight to the dealer for a firmware update would work? The head unit doesn't have the HK amp settings (volume, gong, etc.), but the hardware does match the VO…
It turns out that CAPPL does have equivalent audio settings to the stuff you found in 2RAD. But NCS Dummy tells me the only options available to me are r56_stereo and r56_hifi.
I have updated the Vehicle Order — added $674 (HK amp) and deleted $6DF (Hifi amp) — and installed the HK amp in the back.
Do you think taking it straight to the dealer for a firmware update would work? The head unit doesn't have the HK amp settings (volume, gong, etc.), but the hardware does match the VO…
Last edited by fishbert; 01-14-2011 at 01:39 AM.
#174
01-14-2011, 06:30 AM
I have a 2008 Clubman with the HI-FI system. I just recieved a 2011 loaner with the Harmon Kardon system. Wow.... What a difference. I cant believe how much louder the HK system is than my pitiful HI-FI.
To anyone that has replaced their HI-FI speakers with the HK speakers: Have you listened to a stock HK system, and if so, how does the modified HI-FI system compare? If replacing the speakers makes it loud and more clear like the stock HK system, Im ordering the speakers for sure.
Im more interested in the loudness of the speaker swap vs. the stock HI-FI.
To anyone that has replaced their HI-FI speakers with the HK speakers: Have you listened to a stock HK system, and if so, how does the modified HI-FI system compare? If replacing the speakers makes it loud and more clear like the stock HK system, Im ordering the speakers for sure.
Im more interested in the loudness of the speaker swap vs. the stock HI-FI.
Last edited by ball; 01-14-2011 at 07:02 AM.
#175
01-16-2011, 04:07 PM
hi everybody,
I have got a '09 Mini Cooper S Cabrio R57 with a basic hifi system (only 6 speakers) I'd like to know if it's possible to upgrade to the H/K hifi-system or any better hifi-system than mine (like the Alpine hifi-system.)
I think updating to the H/K will be very expansive and too complicated because i have to change A-Pillar and rear panel (there is no hole for tweeters...) but what do you tkink about the Alpine system? (with 6 front speakers and 1 amp.)
Please excuse my bad english, Im french.
I have got a '09 Mini Cooper S Cabrio R57 with a basic hifi system (only 6 speakers) I'd like to know if it's possible to upgrade to the H/K hifi-system or any better hifi-system than mine (like the Alpine hifi-system.)
I think updating to the H/K will be very expansive and too complicated because i have to change A-Pillar and rear panel (there is no hole for tweeters...) but what do you tkink about the Alpine system? (with 6 front speakers and 1 amp.)
Please excuse my bad english, Im french.