True, but in fairness to ST supporters they'll point out; wider beefier rotors, dedicated hats, floating hat/rotor design, dust booted calipers etc. All true, it just depends on what you feel is best for balancing your budget/needs/wants.

You're not getting more or less with one or the other, just getting something different. Personally I feel the biggest thing I have going is the reasonable balance of part size, weight and cost of return on investment. Many of the above mentioned kits are fine products. Most cost more, require huge wheel spacers, have more limited pad choices, and have rotor mass beyond that required by a car this size. It's all in what you value personally.

It's all yours Todd ...

In all fairness...I would of went with the Wilwood's if I didn't get my Stoptech's for 1/2 off. . And Todd...you were right, I needed a 5mm spacer and the wheel clears by literally a hair.

don't you offer the thicker rotor for the Mini as you do for the SRT4?

I'd bet that the performance differences between these various options are much smaller than than the improvement over stock, which is likely to be substantial with any of them. So it might be useful to think about some other factors, such as the availability of consumable parts (rotors, pads) or repair parts (piston seals, etc.) for you in Portugal.

For instance TAROX (Italy) brakes are very uncommon here in the USA, so I would be reluctant to buy them here in case of not being able to find parts for them later. But you can probably get them easily in Europe. (Although I don't see a need for 6-piston calipers like the TAROX except with very large brake pad sizes, which these are not.)

However Wilwood and StopTech are made in the USA and very easily available for us. But the opposite may be true for you.

I would imagine that the John Cooper Motorsport brakes would be fairly easy to get for you in Lisbon.

Neil
05 MCS - Stock brakes
96 M3 - StopTech brakes

how much is a John Cooper brake setup anyway?

how about the AP big brake kit, i've seen them advertized in the UK but never from a US vendor...how much and where?

Yup, Plus 5 kit.
http://www.tceperformanceproducts.co...s.pl?record=13

But like the SRT4 in fact, the rotor mass is just over the top for the average consumer. And wheel clearance is always an issue.

I have the Brembos
and Im very happy

I have used the Wilwoods 13" kit for 2+ years, easy to switch pads on, work very well

I highly recommend using race pads for high speed track work Makes a BIG difference from the street pads

Ive been looking in to getting a BBK for awhile. I feel that the Wilwood is the best kit for the money.

But, how about I offer you a set of Stoptechs (NEW-in box) for $1100? Now, where would your choices be?

please do not tease like that.

Inside a wheel to see if it fits without having to purchase new ones!

AMEN to that one brother!

uk, if you need to get rid of that set, i got $1200 with your name on it.

Hello
Thanks to all

My choice goes to, 12.19" Wilwood Brake Kit with Forget Billet Dyna Pro Piston Calipers.
My doubt now is that Rotors to choose, in this measure (12.19") which the lighweight?
This setup can be installed without alterations? My wheels are 17 x7.5 measure. No problems with ABS and DSC systems?


toddtce, which the price of this set? Which is your opinion of my choices? Can you help me in the choice of the Rotors (lightweight)?

Best Regards

There are no lightweight options for a BBK rotor. They are ALL heavy.

If in fact you are actually talking weight here, then you are not really right. TCE can save several pounds of of the stock brakes. One reason that they were my choice.

I'll give credit and say that I "think" he means that the value of a BBK is measured in part by the mass of the larger rotor. And for endurance that's very true. For the joe average street user it may vary a bit. Clearly adding 12.2" rotor to the stock size there's a mass increase just by the diameter alone. Going to a beefier rotor can help more in the upper temp cycle range. The monster rotor does nothing for brake torque and only has it's value exploited when the duty cycle is high.

That being said, the entry level 12.2 kit comes with the lightest version of the standard rotor. And is the very least expensive to replace.

UL32 (base rotor) 8.9lbs
GT rotor (on 11.75 and optional sub on 12.2) 9.6lbs
UL32 Drilled 8.0lbs

Just FYI:
TCE 13 .81 11+lbs
TCE 13.1 1.10 14+ lbs

Our Brake Man kit's 'Revolution' rotors are lighter than OEM by a fair margin... The Wilwood 11.75 rotors are also lighter than OEM by quite a bit...

Hmmm............

any other options for 13" kits or is this it?

i'd go with the TCE kit, but the click clack don't sit well with my wife since she's driving it. She would always bring it up when i had them on my srt..."that clicking is annoying, can't you do something about that?"

i would almost forget about it until she brought it up again.

does the overpriced Stoptech have the same setup that clicks once the pads wear a little?

who sells the Stoptechs cheapest?

The StopTechs on my M3 make no untoward noises. Well, other than the fact that the Hawk HT14 race pads squeak a bit under brake use driving to the track, which is normal.

The ST calipers have springs which keep the pads under tension and stop them from rattling or clicking. The whole ST setup has very good detail engineering in that sort of way.

Neil
05 MCS
96 M3

Neil's correct. The Stoptechs do have a better pad retainer to limit this.

The solution on the Wilwood is to pull the spring tension ciips out, put a dab of silicone under them, replace the clips, let set up a bit then replace the pads. This will provide a greater dampening to the tenstion clip so the pad does not move so much up and down witih application/release of the pedal.

so who sells the red stoptech kit cheapest???



minimania's got it for $1795

JSC has them for $1795 as well (the silvers look good)



Some has to be selling these sets cheaper...EBAY?