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Need help to start R56 :(
Hi everyone. I’m so happy to be part of this community. I have small issue with car what we just buy from our neighbor. Long story short 2007 Mini Cooper S automatic transmission absolutely gorgeous inside and out won’t start. Starter spinning for 7-10 seconds and small puf from muffler. So I like ok is easy fix. Let’s check battery, gas and spark. I Did work by myself : 1) I found out is better weak (get new installed and recharge old battery both work fine. 2) Fuel pump not working, no noise at all (replace the fuel pump and now is make noise and also pump gas I checked at the rump). 3) I Oreder wrench for the spark plugs and spark plugs (not check yet for the spark on the end of spark plug or conditions of them, I will update you guys later). 4) I check obd2 scanner not show any trouble codes. Order new obd2 WiFi scanner to check all data and storage codes if any. My qwestion for all of you car gurus and experts , what else can be wrong if car not start? Neighbor tell me car just died to the road. My idea is bad HPFP or maybe camshaft sensor or DME? Any idea guys? Thanks for help :) https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...2a7302faf.jpeg This is my mini https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...2380c2f03.jpeg |
I scanned with obd2 and this what I get: 1) P0100 2) P1138 3) P0503 4) P0342 5) P1776 6) P1777 I guess I need to check camshaft senor or just buy new one? |
Shot of starting fluid in air cleaner to see if it rumbles. If it rumbles then gas problem. No rumble electrical
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https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...f7e5ee809.jpeg Should I spray starting fluid into this pipe? It’s coming from the filter box to turbo https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...238f3fe46.jpeg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...262d5a369.jpeg |
yes and not a lot
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Looks like I need to get helper here. I try to spray couple times not much maybe 2-5 seconds and then crank car again. No difference. Only dry starter and engine tart tar tart tart. My son will come later today after his hockey game and I will try to spray and crank starter the same time. Thanks for the help. I keep you guys posted.
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Hi everyone. I spray car starter strait to the turbo and zero effect. Nothing happen, just starter spinning let’s it. Check spark plugs and they make sparks but condition is really bad. Any ideas what else I can check ? Thanks https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...aaf66b34f.jpeg |
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I order new spark plugs and camshaft sensor. |
Did you do a compression check? Take the valve cover and take a look at the chain and everything inside. Spin the engine by hand and check the timing. Newtis.info is an excellent source to use.
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I in Manassas VA, I will install new spark plugs and camshaft sensor tomorrow. I will try to start if not I take a park valve cover and also check compression. I keep you posted guys. Thanks |
Hi everyone. Today I installed new spark plugs $70 for 4 :( and new camshaft sensor . Nothing change:( only car now every 5-7 seconds car puf puf from muffler. I’m absolutely lost. For tomorrow planing to do a compression test . Any idea what else I can check . I check sparks, fuel, fuses all is fine but car won’t start. I feel like is almost there but no. I sprey starting fluted strait in the turbo and nothing happen . Any idea guys. Thanks |
Just read scanner p1776 and P1777 |
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Pull out new spark plugs they all wet from gasoline? https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...1bd370c14.jpeg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...d6bd90017.jpeg |
I also find some gas inside of the cylinders . I take it out looks like mix gas in black color. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...105ce3d1c8.jpg |
if the cylinders are flooded with gas, did you check the timing by the way? spin the engine by hand clockwise until you see the letting on the camshafts in the middle...put some straws in the cylinders and they all have to be same height.
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Ok guys. I open Valve cover gasket and plastics pieces everywhere. Looks like on top part of the engine is gone and shredded to the chain . What I’m looking here ? |
well well well....a very familiar site...you might be lucky and dont have to do a valve job. but it is time to clean, replace, reset, install, and fire it up.
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Timing chain slipped off the intake sproket gear? This is the first time I've seen it. My previous 3 timing job experiences were all due to the top guide broken off, leaving pieces for me to find down below. If I were in your shoes, at this point, doing a timing chain job is a blind next step because you should have your valves checked first. It's probably best move to just pull the heads and have it leak down tested. Mean while, go hunt for the broken pieces and see if you can puzzle every part back together. I wouldn't close the valve cover without having that peace of mind that everything is in right order.
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Originally Posted by Yupetc
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Timing chain slipped off the intake sproket gear? This is the first time I've seen it. My previous 3 timing job experiences were all due to the top guide broken off, leaving pieces for me to find down below. If I were in your shoes, at this point, doing a timing chain job is a blind next step because you should have your valves checked first. It's probably best move to just pull the heads and have it leak down tested. Mean while, go hunt for the broken pieces and see if you can puzzle every part back together. I wouldn't close the valve cover without having that peace of mind that everything is in right order.
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The OP mentions 'plastic pieces everywhere' -- does that mean a chain guide has failed as part of the carnage & needs to be replaced? Since these are interference engines & we know the failure happened at highway speed, I'm wondering why anyone would think a valve job is not going to be needed?
Terron, I'm near you in Woodbridge. My R57 is down with misfires that I'm trying to diagnose, but if you need a hand getting the chain reinstall I could spend a few hours wrenching with you. |
Guys I really appreciate your help in this project :) My idea to get chain back on track and see if the valves damage . After that move we can decide to keep the engine or repair or maybe buy used. Mark if you have time let me know when . I don’t have any tools for the timing lock or any thing like this. I can order if needed, but if we can put chain back and try to fire up is gone be great. Let me know. I keep you posted. Thanks everyone for great support :) |
Originally Posted by MiniToBe
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I have to disagree with you...it is FREE to try and put the chain back on the sprocket and rest the timing. Few years back, I bought a 2010 Clubman S with the same exact thing. I bought the upper rail and reset the timing...fired right up with no issues. it was my best turn around ;) At any rate, I suggest resetting the timing and trying...there isnt going to be more harm than what it has been. fixing isnt just tearing apart the replacing. stop and think and verify before you waste money on something didnt need to be done.
It's just a matter of sequencing the fix and figuring out the cost and waste time altogether. |
Guys. How I can get right timing? I want to risk and get new chain kit, install and try to fire up or maybe I can do it with old chain? I want to understand if my valve ok or they dead. Any body can recommend the right tools for the correct timing? Thanks |
You said you have a 2007 Cooper S -- this is an R56, which has an N14 engine. I did a quick eBay search and there are many cam tool kits for around $40. You might search the forum to see if there is a specific recommendation for a kit.
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Originally Posted by Mark Supinski
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You said you have a 2007 Cooper S -- this is an R56, which has an N14 engine. I did a quick eBay search and there are many cam tool kits for around $40. You might search the forum to see if there is a specific recommendation for a kit.
Mark should I order chain kit too? I oredred cam tool today it will arrive by Wednesday next week. I will start take car a part front end and whell cover etc. Let me know if this good idea to get new chain kit . Thanks |
If it was me, I would. Remember that for some reason the chain skipped off the sprockets. I would have a tough time trusting any of the components to simply put the chain back on. Was the chain stretched? Did a tensioner fail? Who knows. I would buy a full kit and replace everything that wears. Note you'll also have to replace the chain guide at the top that got eaten as well.
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I responded to this last night but it was apparently held for moderation. Since I haven't seen it pop up today, I'll try answering again.
My opinion would be to order a full timing kit. The old chain jumped off for some reason. Something clearly needs to be replaced and doing everything assures it should be good and healthy if the valves are ok. I'm not sure if the top chain guide that disintegrated is part of such a kit, so that may have to be ordered in addition to a new chain. Mark |
I order timing tool kit, borescope and chain kit. I put car in garage and start to take a part engine bay. Prepare for the timing job. After total inspection valve and cylinder head make final decision. Thanks |
Good luck! Thanks for keeping us up to date. Crossing fingers for you!
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Timing chain replacement isn’t all that hard just take your time. Make sure your crankshaft is locked before loosening the main crankshaft bolt. It looks like the top chain guide disintegrated on you. Make sure you pull the oil pan and look for all the places plastic can go. I am sure you will find some in the pan. It will make the timing chain change easier anyway and you will learn a lot about your engine. The timing tool is key and even the ebay ones will suffice just fine if you make sure they are bolted up and secure. I am sure your timing chain is quite stretched and loose. When you put the new one on you will see just how much. There are plenty of great DIY threads on here that’s how I learned to do my own. That’s what shattered the top guide a loose chain slapping against heat stressed plastic. Better to change all the rest of the guides and chain now before the othe guides follow. . |
Guys just want to give update. I get borescope today and check inside the each cylinder. No damage on any cylinder and looks like my valves all strait. I mean all looks fine. I wait for my new chain and timing tool to start this repairs. |
That's great news. I may bring my mini to take a look inside when I come out there if I haven't figured out my limp mode issue by then.
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If you got your timing kit from ebay, you may experience fitment issues with the flywheel key. I spent 2 hours hand sanding the key to get it into that hole. Also had to sand down one of the cam holders up top. Those just weren't of good quality, but after sanding those burrs away, I was able to align them and get everything working. Starting up was no problem at all.
Before you're turning your crankshaft to lock in the flywheel key hole, do yourself a favor and remove all spark plugs and place some long equal length zip-ties into the chamber. Let the height of each piston give you a clue to see if you line it up right. Because on the flywheel locking hole, there are two slots available for lock in, one was where the 1 and 4 pistons are up with 2 and 3 pistons down, and camshafts will all point up. This isn't the correct position. You'll have to turn the flywheel until you get the next lock in slot and all pistons are the same height. If you check this step, you should be fine. Good luck and happy motoring. |
Terron-
When your parts come in, I think this video will help you -- have a look. |
Hey Fox. I just got all my parts and tools together. Today I get all pistons strait and secure with locking tool. I got only exhaust valve timing correct and intake camashat not moving by chain. I also got lose main crankshaft bolt. For tomorrow I will take down engine support and time for chain replacement. |
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