R60 Mileage?
#26
I settle by keeping my finger nervously hovering over the buttons to reduce speed and my foot hovering near the brake.
Remember, driving a CM at highway speeds requires an incredible amount of engine HP (>50%!) just to fight the aerodynamic drag...and we all know that the CM has the Cd of a small apartment building. Even with my '04 MCS JCW, traveling with cruise control at 65 MPH yields about 32 MPG (US), but the same journey at 75 MPG without cruise-control yields <27 MPG.
Interestingly, although I did not do much testing of this it seemed like I was able to get better mileage from driving using the paddle shifters to shift, than my wife was using the automatic as-is (because I could keep it in a higher gear than the automatic wanted to be in sometimes).
Bottom line: if you want to increase your highway mileage, consider slowing down and using cruise control. This will offset your track-day mileage of <12 MPG...
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#28
Lightyr raises an important issue regarding the MPG as reported by the Countryman's computer: it's usually quite optimistic. This is actually an issue with the way the BMW (Seimens) software algorithms calculate MPG information using sensor information. It has been an issue on each of the 3 BMW autos I own/have-owned, my MINI, and my R1200RT motorcycle.
I can improve the accuracy of the OBD-calculated MPG figures (as compared to hand-calculation) if I zero-out both the Average MPG value and the Average Speed value at each fill-up. This took the ~+10% optimistic ODB MPG value to ~+2% optimistic on two 5-series, a 3-series, and my MINI. Interestingly enough, when I use this technique on the R1200RT, the ODB-calculated MPG is only +0.9% optimistic at its worst and spot-on about 80% of the time.
Another take-away from this is that most comparisons of MPG among those who post lack the same measurement standard. Considering that ODB-calculated MPG varies so widely, the data reported is neither very accurate nor derived from the similar driving conditions. In fact, it is so difficult to report meaningful, standards-based data that one might conclude the data is of little value except to the OP for her/his historical tracking purposes. After all, the EPA is STILL struggling with a standards-based evaluation system!
However, mileage discussions will continue. Perhaps more meaningful data could be represented through an agreement that everyone posts HAND-CALCULATED MPG data instead of introducing the additional skew imparted by the OBD algorithm-derived MPG data.
Just a thought...
I can improve the accuracy of the OBD-calculated MPG figures (as compared to hand-calculation) if I zero-out both the Average MPG value and the Average Speed value at each fill-up. This took the ~+10% optimistic ODB MPG value to ~+2% optimistic on two 5-series, a 3-series, and my MINI. Interestingly enough, when I use this technique on the R1200RT, the ODB-calculated MPG is only +0.9% optimistic at its worst and spot-on about 80% of the time.
Another take-away from this is that most comparisons of MPG among those who post lack the same measurement standard. Considering that ODB-calculated MPG varies so widely, the data reported is neither very accurate nor derived from the similar driving conditions. In fact, it is so difficult to report meaningful, standards-based data that one might conclude the data is of little value except to the OP for her/his historical tracking purposes. After all, the EPA is STILL struggling with a standards-based evaluation system!
However, mileage discussions will continue. Perhaps more meaningful data could be represented through an agreement that everyone posts HAND-CALCULATED MPG data instead of introducing the additional skew imparted by the OBD algorithm-derived MPG data.
Just a thought...
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#30
I have just over 600 miles on my ALL4 now, and was a bit disappointed with the first tank around town, which got only about 21 mpg. The second tank was better, with more highway miles, but still only 25 mpg (no cruise). I'm really hoping it will improve as the engine completes it's break-in period. For the second tank I put in 89 octane gas. Are most people using 93? Is there a difference in gas mileage with the higher octane?
Last edited by SpeedyDD; 01-16-2012 at 05:11 PM.
#31
I have just over 400 miles on my ALL4 now, and was a bit disappointed with the first tank around town, which got only about 21 mpg. The second tank was better, with more highway miles, but still only 25 mpg (no cruise). I'm really hoping it will improve as the engine completes it's break-in period. For the second tank I put in 89 octane gas. Are most people using 91? Is there a difference in gas mileage with the higher octane?
#33
I have just over 400 miles on my ALL4 now, and was a bit disappointed with the first tank around town, which got only about 21 mpg. The second tank was better, with more highway miles, but still only 25 mpg (no cruise). I'm really hoping it will improve as the engine completes it's break-in period. For the second tank I put in 89 octane gas. Are most people using 93? Is there a difference in gas mileage with the higher octane?
Last edited by SpeedyDD; 01-16-2012 at 05:10 PM.
#34
can you feel a difference in power when using the 89 gas? Since it's a turbo, I would think that it would benefit with the 91 octane....
By the way, my calculations are hand computed, not with the on-board computer, and the mileage was with gas containing 10% ethanol, but not sure if that matters either. From other threads it seems that the higher octane may give better performance (but not necessarily better mpg), particularly with hotter temps outside. With our current winter heatwave of 50 degrees (F), I'm not so concerned.
#35
293 miles on odometer, 1st tank of gas after free tank, 243.1 on tank, 9.9 gallons = 24.54 mpg with indicated 24.1. Mixed driving on LIE and stop and go. Today 66 miles mixed LIE and stop and go, averaged 28.3 indicated. Top speed to date 79 mph indicated. 91 octane with 10% ethanol both tanks.
Last edited by Cobra-racer; 01-11-2012 at 05:05 AM.
#36
In my R60 I get 21-24 mpg on mixed city/hway, not very conservative driving (quick starts and 80+ on the freeway wherever it seems appropriate). BTW on the couple tanks where I consciously drove conservatively I didn't get noticably better mileage. My experience has been that the computer mpg estimate is always 1-2 mpg optimistic compared to an odo/gals calculation. I'm alternating tanks of Shell, Chevron, HEB and Sam's Club gas (29 tanks so far) - always 93 oct with ethanol. As a bit of a surprise, with one fill-up exception, Sam's gas has given me the best mileage. I've had one tank of Shell that seemed to give peppier performance - but that's purely subjective. I do plan on doing a few tanks of 89 to see wht difference there is - but The General is still too much fun to drive for me to make the lower octane choice as I face the pump!
#38
I'm not sure what gas the dealer used, but I haven't noticed any difference in performance on the second and third tanks (with 89) than the first (possibly with 93 octane). Of course, now I'm curious, so will try out a higher octane next time, and see if it runs differently. I know the ALL4 is not as speedy out of the gate as my RAV4, but I assumed it's because it feels a lot heavier. Maybe she's just a bit sluggish with the 89 gas?! There is a lot of black exhaust on the tailpipe. Is that a gas quality-related thing?
Last edited by SpeedyDD; 01-16-2012 at 05:10 PM.
#39
This is almost exactly what I'm getting. At first I obsessed over every tenth, but now I just drive without regard to price per gallon or mileage. I like driving the car too much to overly baby the gas peddle.
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No, but I'm planning to go through a tank on "snow" mode, and see what that does to my mileage. We're finally getting our first real snowfall of the season, and it's been a blast to see how my ALL4 does with traction. It's really slippery out, and there've been accidents all over the place, but my Countryman is doing great! I can get it to slide a little if I take a turn too fast, but it grips the road immediately with it's claws and runs steady on. Fantastic!
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#46
miniobx,
It's one thing if you are not getting the mileage you thought. It's another to say people are 'smoking something' when they report what they see. Attached is the spreadsheet showing the first 9,000 miles of fuel replacements in my MINI. I've averaged over 29MPG for the time, and I could care less if you believe me or not.
Maybe you have a problem with your car...
Mark
It's one thing if you are not getting the mileage you thought. It's another to say people are 'smoking something' when they report what they see. Attached is the spreadsheet showing the first 9,000 miles of fuel replacements in my MINI. I've averaged over 29MPG for the time, and I could care less if you believe me or not.
Maybe you have a problem with your car...
Mark
#47
Thanks for your excellent records! I'm going to try to match this performance when we get our CMS4. I'll post on Fuelly.
#48
I am getting the same average you are getting. I posted my data somewhere (in another related post I think). I pretty much said the same thing you did about people getting over 30mph. I figure it must be my roof rack or bike rack on the back and how and where I drive. But even if I drive easy I still don't get much better.
#49
Strange, I have a manual CM All 4 2012 and I have been getting 31-32 on the highway and 27-28 around town. My combined is usually right at 30 mpg.
I live at 8000 feet, lots of hills and valleys. I usually run 75 on the highways and stop and go traffic in town.
So far no problems with this vehicle, not even effected by the recall. Hope it keeps it up!
I live at 8000 feet, lots of hills and valleys. I usually run 75 on the highways and stop and go traffic in town.
So far no problems with this vehicle, not even effected by the recall. Hope it keeps it up!
#50
Ironically seems that people with All 4's seem to have better mileage than standard Countryman S. I've had mixed traffic conditions so I have hovered around 26. Coming from a Corolla I was averaging 320 miles a tank. Countryman its been about 300 miles a tank. When you fill up and the trip computer tells you hey you should get 370 a tank, kinda stabs you in the side when you don't reach it. I know stars and moons have to line up 93 octane, cruise control, no traffic, etc. I guess I expected more.