R58 N18 oil wicking issue - check it!
#27
Yup, thanks to jamesday24's excellent photo I've just been under my 02/12 MCS N18 and seen exactly the same leaky harness with the bonus of 'oily fingers'.
I'm ringing my dealer next...
Thank NAM forum! Without your help I wouldn't have 'rattled the cage' over here regarding my N18 fan running/thermostat issues now I can do more rattling about this oil leak (which my dealer hadn't heard about last week...) I'm going to email them that photo; it's not easy to see the problem without it.. Thanks again, folks! (And a happy Xmas to you all.)
I'm ringing my dealer next...
Thank NAM forum! Without your help I wouldn't have 'rattled the cage' over here regarding my N18 fan running/thermostat issues now I can do more rattling about this oil leak (which my dealer hadn't heard about last week...) I'm going to email them that photo; it's not easy to see the problem without it.. Thanks again, folks! (And a happy Xmas to you all.)
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Yes, there is an oil leak behind the sump, they say. Some parts have arrived but not all. There was a 'plate' mentioned that had arrived and 'new gaskets' that hadn't. They'll be in on Mon 10/12/12, I gather.
Doesn't sound like there's a fixing kit, just a collection of parts. (AND there's been an N18 chain tensioner fix posted on this site...worried about product development.)
I wonder if this will be another quiet recall in the UK like the extra thermostat + cradle enhancement.
Doesn't sound like there's a fixing kit, just a collection of parts. (AND there's been an N18 chain tensioner fix posted on this site...worried about product development.)
I wonder if this will be another quiet recall in the UK like the extra thermostat + cradle enhancement.
#32
I ought to edit this post and say that I can't find my N18 'chain tensioner source' despite revisiting loads of posts.
I'm fairly sure it was on NAM (but it could have been MINI2 or TotalMini) and I remember a poster saying that he'd returned his car for attention to the N18 thermostat or N18 oil wicking issue (my areas of research) and he was pleased that the dealer had replaced his tensioner too!
I particularly remember thinking I must keep my ear out for this; I part-exchanged my N14 MCS hatch to an N18 to try to avoid c-t issues. This was the first time I'd heard of N18 tensioner troubles and it stuck in my mind.
Sorry if I've unnecessarily caused stress to anyone but if you've had your tensioner changed on an N18 hatch/coupe/roadster or CM please let us know...
I'm fairly sure it was on NAM (but it could have been MINI2 or TotalMini) and I remember a poster saying that he'd returned his car for attention to the N18 thermostat or N18 oil wicking issue (my areas of research) and he was pleased that the dealer had replaced his tensioner too!
I particularly remember thinking I must keep my ear out for this; I part-exchanged my N14 MCS hatch to an N18 to try to avoid c-t issues. This was the first time I'd heard of N18 tensioner troubles and it stuck in my mind.
Sorry if I've unnecessarily caused stress to anyone but if you've had your tensioner changed on an N18 hatch/coupe/roadster or CM please let us know...
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So I had Broadspeed in to the dealership this past Thursday and Friday. They had a look and found that it was the ping sensor that was leaking, so they ordered a new one in overnight.
Friday came along, and when the tech started to remove the old ping sensor, he found that the seal wasn't properly aligned in the first place. So, he put it back in its place, drove the car, put it back in the air, and found no leaks whatsoever.
I'm wondering how many of these sensors have misaligned seals on them? Maybe that's all it takes, and that parts don't have to be replaced?
Regardless, I'll keep driving her for a while, and keep an eye on the sensor to see if it starts leaking again. Hopefully not!
Friday came along, and when the tech started to remove the old ping sensor, he found that the seal wasn't properly aligned in the first place. So, he put it back in its place, drove the car, put it back in the air, and found no leaks whatsoever.
I'm wondering how many of these sensors have misaligned seals on them? Maybe that's all it takes, and that parts don't have to be replaced?
Regardless, I'll keep driving her for a while, and keep an eye on the sensor to see if it starts leaking again. Hopefully not!
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PLUS I've managed to find the post about an N18 that needed timing chain tensioner attention from the dealer. It was on NAM...
Oh, and is the 'ping sensor' part of the oil pump/solenoid that's leaking? Or something else leaking close by that's running onto that same wiring harness which loops downwards?
BTW; thanks for sharing...
Oh, and is the 'ping sensor' part of the oil pump/solenoid that's leaking? Or something else leaking close by that's running onto that same wiring harness which loops downwards?
BTW; thanks for sharing...
Last edited by cjm; 12-08-2012 at 02:18 PM.
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Thanks for that, rosvick.
So it's the sensor that 'reads' the (new to N18) oil pump valve solenoid that seems to have a leaky gasket and 'wicks' up the droopy sensor take off cable, then?
ps I'm about to pm you all my current info re N18 chain tensioner in an attempt to avoid hijacking the 'oil wicking thread'...
update: I've just picked my car up after the 'N18 oil wick fix'. Paperwork to follow but the SA said an updated part had been fitted along with a new wiring-to-sensor harness and new gasket.
Thanks NAM folks for your advice, photo + support. This isn't a known issue, yet, in UK. With your help I was able to diagnose and substantiate my warranty claim - Wow!
So it's the sensor that 'reads' the (new to N18) oil pump valve solenoid that seems to have a leaky gasket and 'wicks' up the droopy sensor take off cable, then?
ps I'm about to pm you all my current info re N18 chain tensioner in an attempt to avoid hijacking the 'oil wicking thread'...
update: I've just picked my car up after the 'N18 oil wick fix'. Paperwork to follow but the SA said an updated part had been fitted along with a new wiring-to-sensor harness and new gasket.
Thanks NAM folks for your advice, photo + support. This isn't a known issue, yet, in UK. With your help I was able to diagnose and substantiate my warranty claim - Wow!
Last edited by cjm; 12-10-2012 at 11:14 AM.
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Don't be too sure they change the engine oil doing the oil pump
solenoid. In the UK they catch the old engine oil in a bowl and
when they have finished the job put the old oil back in. I asked
if you got new oil and its then that they told me they put the old oil
Back in the engine.
solenoid. In the UK they catch the old engine oil in a bowl and
when they have finished the job put the old oil back in. I asked
if you got new oil and its then that they told me they put the old oil
Back in the engine.
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#43
Sitrep: I had my Coupé up in the air a few days ago, and had a look at what my dealer did for the repair. As I said before, they told me that a seal was misaligned, but they were able to rectify that and use the same ping sensor. Apparently the tech also siliconed the living crap out of the solenoid, and then cleaned everything up with some brake cleaner. It looks kind of shoddy, but there's definitely no oil leak anymore!
I'm not in the slightest big upset about it; I just thought it was a bit funny and interesting. I guess whatever works, right? :D
I'm not in the slightest big upset about it; I just thought it was a bit funny and interesting. I guess whatever works, right? :D
#44
Hi
They probably put new oil in in the USA as I think they
are a bit more generous. We pay more for everything
and get less. Castrol edge professional at the mini dealers
cost just short of £20 a litre here. Bet it's a lot cheaper in America.
They probably put new oil in in the USA as I think they
are a bit more generous. We pay more for everything
and get less. Castrol edge professional at the mini dealers
cost just short of £20 a litre here. Bet it's a lot cheaper in America.
#45
Hi
What does the oil pump solenoid do. Does
It act as the oil pressure relief valve ?
I think it does something else as its referred
to as an oil volume solenoid sometimes is this to
do with fuel economy, it pumps less oil
When its not needed.
Does someone have the technical description
for it ?
What does the oil pump solenoid do. Does
It act as the oil pressure relief valve ?
I think it does something else as its referred
to as an oil volume solenoid sometimes is this to
do with fuel economy, it pumps less oil
When its not needed.
Does someone have the technical description
for it ?
Last edited by peterhell; 12-22-2012 at 10:24 AM.
#46
Car is in for this....part probably won't be in till Friday! Says the part is specific to every car by VIN, so I'm guessing a new ECU/DME??? Idk
Said something about the wiring harness was throwing fault codes when they tested at the DME? Is that something a scangauge would pick up? Because I never pulled anything and I believe I was driving the car like that for sometime until I came across this thread.
I have the Akra R to get rid of the CEL due to the catless DP...do you folks think that thing is causing issues....or is it the oil wick that's the only culprit?
Said something about the wiring harness was throwing fault codes when they tested at the DME? Is that something a scangauge would pick up? Because I never pulled anything and I believe I was driving the car like that for sometime until I came across this thread.
I have the Akra R to get rid of the CEL due to the catless DP...do you folks think that thing is causing issues....or is it the oil wick that's the only culprit?
#47
My oil-wicking fix paperwork came through after a reminder to the dealer.
No mention of DME/ECU stuff. No new wiring harness either unless it's attached to, or part of, the new solenoid valve. On my car it's covered with a white sealant now, so I can't confirm.
The attachment shows the parts the dealer fitted. I hope it helps someone. It'll be interesting to compare what the different dealers do to solve the problem...
No mention of DME/ECU stuff. No new wiring harness either unless it's attached to, or part of, the new solenoid valve. On my car it's covered with a white sealant now, so I can't confirm.
The attachment shows the parts the dealer fitted. I hope it helps someone. It'll be interesting to compare what the different dealers do to solve the problem...
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