Chrono Pack Retrofit - All the info you need (hopefully)
There seems to be a lot of misinformation or lack of information when it comes to retrofitting a Chrono Pack on an R53 that didn't have one originally. I wanted to put together a consolidated thread of all of the information that I've found to hopefully shed some light on the situation, and to help anyone who might stumble across this in the future.
If you have anything to add, please let me know, but this is what I've found so far:
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Here are my findings when I installed this Chrono-pack into my '06 R52 JCW earlier this year
1) The mileage on the cars odometer will change to read the new center dash cluster's mileage, I went from 108,000+ down to 84,694 miles 2) My TPS or flat tire monitor light is always on now, I can not turn it off with the reset procedure 3) My DSC light is on all the time as well, throws a code saying VIN is different between old & new instrument cluster 4) Also have other codes in the speedometer cluster, and the steering angle modules because of VIN difference's, I cannot clear the codes at all 5) My back up warning system, or PDC system does not work anymore 6) I don't think the "Check gas cap" light will function either, I drove around for a while with the gas cap loose, light never came on 7) I had to get another dash bezel with the chrome rings because the NAV system takes a different bezel 8) All gauges in the Chrono Pack do work when I plugged the instrument cluster into my car. All the dash lights work and dim as they should. I do have the computer program and cable now to go in and re-program the Chrono unit to match the original NAV system that came with the car....only the mileage will not be changed. I just need time to start back on this project Bryan |
@A383Wing
The VIN in KOMBI is checkt by BC1. If there are differenes, you`ll get a fault message. You have to flash the VIN an Mileange by changing Clusters https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...e364870951.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...3216fa20f3.jpg . |
Originally Posted by ACGOG
(Post 4508446)
Standard fee for Mini fixing the aforementioned issues will cost about $200
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Originally Posted by mildensteve
(Post 4508914)
Ok, gotta ask. Who do you know that can reprogram the VIN, mileage, make all the bad lights go away and all the supposed-to functions work for $200? I am sitting on a chrono pac set waiting for someone who REALLY can do it. In today's world of hacks and identity theft this shouldn't be that hard... for someone else other than me.
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I picked up the computer program and cable a few weeks ago. I also have a Chrono PAC sitting here waiting to go in my '06 R52 JCW. I just need to get going on this project
The computer program was $50 from Germany, the cable set was $69 from overseas also. The gentleman who sold me the program said it's all written in English, and very easy to use. I told him what I was doing, taking out the NAV system and putting in the Chrono PAC...he told me that this CD with the program on it will make it work like OE Bryan |
@A383Wing
Hi Bryan, sounds interesting. What kind of program and cable it is? Would you be so kind and tell it to me? PM? iīm trying actual to find a solution. But in the cluster arenīt any Flashīs to find. So at the moment, itīs a secret where the dataīs are stored in Cluster. Regards Dominik |
Originally Posted by A383Wing
(Post 4508922)
I picked up the computer program and cable a few weeks ago. I also have a Chrono PAC sitting here waiting to go in my '06 R52 JCW. I just need to get going on this project
The computer program was $50 from Germany, the cable set was $69 from overseas also. The gentleman who sold me the program said it's all written in English, and very easy to use. I told him what I was doing, taking out the NAV system and putting in the Chrono PAC...he told me that this CD with the program on it will make it work like OE Bryan |
One step closer.
The Datas are stored in MINI not like on BMW in a separate EEPROM. They were stored direct in Chip. And this Chip is secured. At the moment I only found one tool that is able to read and write without fault. 2900$ + Adapters for connection. 🤮 https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...dd3af67d5.jpeg The bad guy 😡 |
Originally Posted by flyingart
(Post 4509029)
One step closer.
The Datas are stored in MINI not like on BMW in a separate EEPROM. They were stored direct in Chip. And this Chip is secured. At the moment I only found one tool that is able to read and write without fault. 2900$ + Adapters for connection. 🤮 https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...dd3af67d5.jpeg The bad guy 😡 |
1: my understanding is the kombi has a write once eprom chip for the vin, the dealer cannot get around this, neither can ncsexpert. I searched a bit and never found anyone that could erase the vin so ista-p could program it as a new module
2: if your new kombi had different options (dsc vs asc) you need to address this in ncsexpert, dump the old module, and then dump new module and make sure the options are setup the same, then use ista-d to reset the steering angle |
Originally Posted by flyingart
(Post 4508938)
@A383Wing
Hi Bryan, sounds interesting. What kind of program and cable it is? Would you be so kind and tell it to me? PM? iīm trying actual to find a solution. But in the cluster arenīt any Flashīs to find. So at the moment, itīs a secret where the dataīs are stored in Cluster. Regards Dominik
Originally Posted by mildensteve
(Post 4508955)
Thanks Bryan. If you get it to work you will be our hero. Otherwise... no pressure. :)
I'm first in line once Bryan gets this sorted out. I live 20 minutes away and have been waiting impatiently for almost a year. 😁😁😁 |
Hahaha, I guess I'll jump in line too in case the dealer doesn't work out. Maybe I can get then to slip a JCW tune in there if it doesn't so it wasn't a complete waste of money lol.
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Alright, so I'm at the dealer and am now a little concerned. The Service Tech (I think just responsible for check-ins) didn't seem to know what I was talking about. When I explained the TPMS and DSC lights, the oil temp/pressure not working, and the ODO being off he said, "Well that's a lot more than just a reprogram." Which is fine, but I'm wondering if the actual Technician is in the same boat knowledge wise?
I understand that this is probably a unique situation and one he hasn't seen before but it doesn't inspire confidence. I mentioned no disrespect to the actual Techs, but I had been reading up on this stuff for weeks now and was happy to help answer questions, talk about the install, etc. I also brought in the original speedo and tach (explained that the accurate miles were stored in the dash), as well as the original JCW gauge cluster that showed battery and oil temp just in case. Hopefully they'll take me up on it or else this is most definitely $200 down the drain (or I mean, I guess hopefully all the lights will be off :razz:). I'll update when they're done. Edit: Well, was just told that they do the majority of their programming/coding through the stereo (:confused:) and since I have an aftermarket stereo that drastically reduces the chances of success. |
Welp, the Mini dealership was able to remove the TPMS and DSC lights - and that was it. They weren't able to get the oil temp/pressure gauges working. Originally the tech came out and said they were able to fix the ODO but when I went to go pick it up... "By the way, we weren't able to fix the ODO but your light isn't on so you're good."
I guess I'll also be waiting in line to see if I can get the ODO fixed as well. I'll also keep an eye out for someone who's possibly a little more knowledgeable than the Techs here since I've been told it's possible to get a lot of that fixed. I may also just buy the stupid $30 cable, download NCSExpert and take a whack at it myself. Only thing I have to lose is my $200, which I've already lost :razz:. |
the oil temp/pressure is fake anyway, it's a calculation in no way connected to reality. I would imagine the pre-facelift ECU does not have the tables, so the kombi wont see the data no matter what you do.
you can program modules without the radio with the dealer software, I've done it, and it sounds like they did it too, and it's not "through the stereo" |
Originally Posted by MrBlah
(Post 4509534)
the oil temp/pressure is fake anyway, it's a calculation in no way connected to reality. I would imagine the pre-facelift ECU does not have the tables, so the kombi wont see the data no matter what you do.
you can program modules without the radio with the dealer software, I've done it, and it sounds like they did it too, and it's not "through the stereo" I threw my old tach and speedo into my car (the extra 20k miles was really seriously bothering me for some reason) and will keep these dudes on standby until someone finds a solution (if there ever is one). |
Originally Posted by flyingart
(Post 4509029)
One step closer.
The Datas are stored in MINI not like on BMW in a separate EEPROM. They were stored direct in Chip. And this Chip is secured. At the moment I only found one tool that is able to read and write without fault. 2900$ + Adapters for connection. 🤮 https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...dd3af67d5.jpeg The bad guy 😡 This is from the back of a Nav unit. I could almost swear a few months ago when I was looking I saw a site where someone took the chip from their BCM1 and soldered it to a salvaged module. Wonder if that's something that could apply to these units as well. Not sure if this helps, but pic of back of nav unit attached here. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...e436a88227.jpg |
Originally Posted by AutoMutt
(Post 4509802)
This is from the back of a Nav unit. I could almost swear a few months ago when I was looking I saw a site where someone took the chip from their BCM1 and soldered it to a salvaged module. Wonder if that's something that could apply to these units as well. Not sure if this helps, but pic of back of nav unit attached here.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...e436a88227.jpg |
Originally Posted by MrBlah
(Post 4509839)
Which chip? I'll do 20 pin but not those big ones. With BMW you remove a chip and install a new one then use ista p and program it as a new module
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...fbb6cc5814.jpg [EDIT] Here is the data sheet for the chip - https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/data-sheet/MC9S12C128V1.pdf and here are some interesting vids of the chip being hooked up, read, and written: I think I saw a post where @Mini-Moi figured this out a few years ago with the R260S A few guys over on the BMW side with the same chips seem to have de-soldered their originals and put them in replacement kombis with success. |
Originally Posted by AutoMutt
(Post 4509942)
A few guys over on the BMW side with the same chips seem to have de-soldered their originals and put them in replacement kombis with success.
It'd be neat to use the chrono pack I got but that extra 20k miles is just a non-starter for me. |
Pre-facelift Chrono? I thought the Chrono came out in '05? Did it come out in late '04?
Appreciate you sharing the info. Will modern day cell phones, the Nav isn't much better than having a sextant up there. |
Originally Posted by Eric_Rowland
(Post 4510535)
Pre-facelift Chrono? I thought the Chrono came out in '05? Did it come out in late '04?
Appreciate you sharing the info. Will modern day cell phones, the Nav isn't much better than having a sextant up there. |
you could get pre-facelift nav with 2 gauges that's what I retro fit into my 2005 single gauge and stock speedo, be careful with the asc settings when mixing facelift and pre, they are different
then I removed the nav and stuck a Pi screen in its' place, runs my racecapture data logger |
Originally Posted by AutoMutt
(Post 4509942)
Pretty sure its that big 112 pin MCU. Not so sure my soldering skills are up for that challenge either! Haven't had a chance to do much digging. A quick scan in our forums doesn't reveal much, but the bimmer forums do bring up some info.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.nor...fbb6cc5814.jpg [EDIT] Here is the data sheet for the chip - https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/data-sheet/MC9S12C128V1.pdf |
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