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Old Feb 14, 2022 | 09:27 AM
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vacuum leak at idle?

Hi gang,



New here to the forum, and hoping for some advice on my 2009 base convertible, automatic, with 118k miles.



While at throttle, the car is flawless; fun, powerful, etc. Just love it. At idle, or navigating at slow speeds in a parking lot, its a mess!



Chasing what I think is a vacuum or timing issue at idle, I have done the following:



1) new timing chain (by Mini dealer; 102k miles

2) new VANOS (both)

3) new OEM oil cap

4) new valve cover gaskets (complete)

5) changed oil every 3-4k; check at each fill up, and its never low (does not consume oil, either)

6) new PCV valve (kit, not the entire valve cover)



So, with cold or in closed-loop, it gently hunts for RPM between about 650-720; not violently, just slightly up and down, up and down. Coming to a stop at a light, it’ll drop out of gear, RMPs will plummet to about 625 or so, then pop back up to 700. Before I changed the VANOS, it would almost stall, getting to around 300 RPM. Using my OBDII reader on my phone, short term fuel trim, at idle, bounces between 0 and 0.8…oscilating. I can’t find any info online of what is a healthy number.



Idle in park seem steady, but really smooth. With the hood open, the engine is visibly vibrating.



I’m at a loss now. It ‘seems’ like a vacuum leak at idle, linked to PCV, as the car performs really well under throttle (BTW the VANOS were shot, as I saw a HUGE performance improvement after their replacement). I have a new PCV hose ready to install, thinking the original may be compromised, but I quickly found out the intake manifold needs removal to that job, and its way too cold out now for that! But if I go that route, I could change out all the gaskets in that system, as well as injectors….



So, what do you all think of this saga? I wanted to get more feedback before digging into the manifold…



thanks for any help you can provide!



Matt
 
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Old Feb 24, 2022 | 09:15 AM
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Looks like a lot of work done already.
I take it that NO CHECK ENGINE lights are on?
Are the spark plugs new ? Bad plugs or coil packs should give you a light on condition.

Maybe put a vacuum gauge on it at idle and driving to get a good idea what's going on. That would give you info on timing, leaks, etc.
Check out the gas cap too? Properly vented?

My first guess, and totally a guess, was that the Vanos was defective and/or of the wrong viscosity oil.]
For the $$$ they cost, I would change it out and see. I've had bad ones before.

Good Luck,
Bill
 
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Old Feb 24, 2022 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wmsue
Looks like a lot of work done already.
I take it that NO CHECK ENGINE lights are on?
Are the spark plugs new ? Bad plugs or coil packs should give you a light on condition.

Maybe put a vacuum gauge on it at idle and driving to get a good idea what's going on. That would give you info on timing, leaks, etc.
Check out the gas cap too? Properly vented?

My first guess, and totally a guess, was that the Vanos was defective and/or of the wrong viscosity oil.]
For the $$$ they cost, I would change it out and see. I've had bad ones before.

Good Luck,
Bill
thanks Bill! I appreciate the input. No CEL, all new plugs. One thing I read was about readapting the vanos after the replacement. I did not do this. Doesn’t the ecu readapt from driving?

I need to get a vac gauge! Can you suggest a brand? And where do connect? Oil cap?

yeah I’ve check the fuel cap as well.

a real mystery I intend to solve!

Matt
 
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