Evolve Automotive | Mini F56 ECU Tune
Introduction
The Mini Cooper platform is held so dearly to our team. We have had every generation of the modern day Mini Cooper S. The lates F56 Cooper S and JCW has been such an incredible vehicle to develop products for. We're excited about this new B48 engine as it is a modular engine from BMW that shares many parts with the higher BHP version of the engine. We have been busy developing our Stage 1 ECU tune for this car and truly believe the results speak for themselves. Dyno Data Stock Power | 211bhp 240 lbft Evolve Stage 1 ECU Tune | 289bhp 350 lbft VBox Data Stock Vbox | 100-200 KPH | 18.05s Evolve Automotive Stage 1 Vbox | 100-200 KPH | 12.19s Tuning Process With the advancement in our ECU flash tools, we are now able to offer a full OBDII userend flashing solution. With the purchase of our tune, you also receive our EvolveR cable. This cable allows you to take a read and write of the ECU, all from the convenience of your own home. Inquiries and Orders Feel free to contact us here via Private Message or click the EMAIL link in our signature below. We will do our best to respond to your inquiries as immediately as possible. |
Hi! You mention on the website that "Automatic cars make 50-60 hp due to the limitations of the gearbox." Can you please describe these limitations? Don't see a similar disclosure for Bytetronik or Manic tunes. Just curious. Thanks.
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What was the setup on the car? Completely stock?
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Since your cabling into the laptop, is there the ability to datalog and send data back to you for fine tweaking to make sure everything is right? Much like one would do on a dyno to make sure the tune is more precise to ones individual car instead of a general "canned tune"? I feel this is important as not all cars are exactly the same, especially with a variety of modifications. Or is it a one tune, no revision type deal? (I like to make sure my stuff is spot on, especially turning it up with modifications)
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Originally Posted by Mini_Vinnie
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What was the setup on the car? Completely stock?
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Imran
how did the stock intercooler cope with the tune as these cars run hot. |
Originally Posted by 67morris
(Post 4359099)
Hi! You mention on the website that "Automatic cars make 50-60 hp due to the limitations of the gearbox." Can you please describe these limitations? Don't see a similar disclosure for Bytetronik or Manic tunes. Just curious. Thanks.
Until it locks but never on acceleration. |
Originally Posted by 67morris
(Post 4359099)
Hi! You mention on the website that "Automatic cars make 50-60 hp due to the limitations of the gearbox." Can you please describe these limitations? Don't see a similar disclosure for Bytetronik or Manic tunes. Just curious. Thanks.
Originally Posted by Mini_Vinnie
(Post 4359115)
What was the setup on the car? Completely stock?
Originally Posted by GPMini
(Post 4359139)
Since your cabling into the laptop, is there the ability to datalog and send data back to you for fine tweaking to make sure everything is right? Much like one would do on a dyno to make sure the tune is more precise to ones individual car instead of a general "canned tune"? I feel this is important as not all cars are exactly the same, especially with a variety of modifications. Or is it a one tune, no revision type deal? (I like to make sure my stuff is spot on, especially turning it up with modifications)
Originally Posted by GPMini
(Post 4359141)
From the video, it appears that the car was completely stock.
Originally Posted by #Dragon#
(Post 4359195)
Imran
how did the stock intercooler cope with the tune as these cars run hot. The stock intercooler on the R56 and F56 is no doubt a limiting factor in terms of consistent power delivery. We are amidst development of an intercooler upgrade that makes a HUGE difference in power delivery, temperature consistency, and cooling efficiency.
Originally Posted by TVPostSound
(Post 4359958)
Torque converter is a fluid coupling, you will never get a solid mechanical lock from the engine to trans, as a clutch.
Until it locks but never on acceleration. |
Originally Posted by Evolve Automotive
(Post 4360362)
By mechanical design, the factory automatic transmission can only hold so much torque. We prefer to remain on the reliable side of the spectrum and not push the limit to far to avoid premature mechanical failure.
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Originally Posted by trentiles
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Dervtech tuning in the UK has been flashing F56's for something like 3 years now (probably have been doing it the longest of any company out there), including lots of automatics. Their findings are to keep the automatic happy torque should be limited to a max of ~315lb-ft. They actually limit their manuals to that same torque limit I believe as well, but horsepower the auto's and manuals are making pretty much the same.
We've been really happy with how the manuals have been holding up to the power and torque of our ECU tune. Power has been so consistent without any issues thus far from our long term testing. With the automatics, we do want to veer on the conservative side to assure long term performance for our clients. :thumbsup: |
Anxiously awaiting my tune to come back. Any word on supporting mods?
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Originally Posted by Rockstar B
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Anxiously awaiting my tune to come back. Any word on supporting mods?
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Originally Posted by #Dragon#
(Post 4359195)
Imran
how did the stock intercooler cope with the tune as these cars run hot. |
We have do have staged ECU tunes! Can write calibrations for downpipes, intercooler, intake, and future turbo upgrades!
Intercoolers make a massive difference on the F56. Here is a photo of our development Evolve Automotive Intercooler. You can notice the much bigger core! https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4093/3...93f261a5_b.jpg Here is a graph showing our initial findings, comparing IAT between stock and Evolve Automotive Intercooler. https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4082/3...05a284db_b.jpg |
Originally Posted by Evolve Automotive
(Post 4369451)
We have do have staged ECU tunes! Can write calibrations for downpipes, intercooler, intake, and future turbo upgrades!
Intercoolers make a massive difference on the F56. Here is a photo of our development Evolve Automotive Intercooler. You can notice the much bigger core! https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4093/3...93f261a5_b.jpg Here is a graph showing our initial findings, comparing IAT between stock and Evolve Automotive Intercooler. https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4082/3...05a284db_b.jpg |
Originally Posted by Evolve Automotive
(Post 4369451)
We have do have staged ECU tunes! Can write calibrations for downpipes, intercooler, intake, and future turbo upgrades!
Intercoolers make a massive difference on the F56. Here is a photo of our development Evolve Automotive Intercooler. You can notice the much bigger core! https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4093/3...93f261a5_b.jpg Here is a graph showing our initial findings, comparing IAT between stock and Evolve Automotive Intercooler. https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4082/3...05a284db_b.jpg |
More boost = more power & also more heat
Cooler pressurized F/A mixture = more power Better I/C = cooler F/A mixture I saw an Australian car show on TV where they hooked up the windshield washer to misting jets mounted in front of the I/C. The fine spray of water mist on the I/C coils at speed and under boost reduced IAT dramatically. This resulted in increased power. I'm thinking of using a spray bottle and spraying water mist on the I/C core when I dyno my car at the Dragon. That's the one weak point in dyno testing. No air being force into ducting of true CAI and very little air flow across the I/C core. Neither is conducive to making More Powah! |
Misting IC is big in the subaru world. All my STi's has a nitrous mist setup in the intercooler.
Now that was fun! |
This is an external mister. I'm already looking into a meth system for cooling purposes. That's a future project though.
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Another popular system is a CO2 spray system for intercoolers or even NO2 on the 'outside' of the intercooler to bring its temp down. Similar to mist spray systems, but much cooler media. They cost basically the same as a NO2 system and at that point you may just want to consider a regular NO2 system. Another option is to go with an alcohol injection system, like Snow or AEM, which pulls a ton of heat out of the intake charge. They all work to some degree, just be careful when you run out of CO2/NO2/Alcohol/Water, as your intake temps will return to stock levels and could create some issues.
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The car is absolutely insane now. So glad I spent the money here.
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You guys are makin' me crazy. I'm puttin' around with my Dinan Sport and stock everything else and I feel like I'm missing the real party -- got a bit more to go on my current lease. Maybe next time I'll try the heroin and get hooked on chasing that high you all seem to continue enjoying.
i need to call my shrink and find out why I continue following this thread:mad: |
Most of these flashes cant be detected at the dealership ....... just saying.
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I think the future is something else - ASC
Arctic Subcooling via a bypass from the evaporator, Mahle working on it others as well :) easy if you know how. |
Originally Posted by Mini_Vinnie
(Post 4371151)
Most of these flashes cant be detected at the dealership ....... just saying.
Another factor is if you throw a CEL the ECU takes a freeze frame of when the CEL is triggered and multiple data points are recorded. IF the freeze frame happens during high load then the tech will know immediately you are significantly over factory boost. I am not saying dealers are going into ECU's searching for tuned cars but if you have a major event with anything powertrain related expect the dealer to do some poking around. |
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