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billzcat1 06-20-2008 11:13 AM

Seattle RMW Tune Results!
 
Here is a compilation of tune results from those who have been so kind as to post them. It should go without saying, but it won't. These are not my results (although mine WILL be posted when I get home on Saturday) and I am merely gathering the information into an easier-to-read format. Please feel free to add your tune results as you get them! Lets try to keep the thread as on-topic as possible and we can still chit-chat in the other RMW thread ;)

billzcat1 06-20-2008 11:14 AM

NAM User: fingershooter

My configuration:
2006 MCS
Dinan CAI
Milltek exhaust
15% pulley
JCW 380cc injectors

Initial pull:
194.2 hp @ 6910
178.2 torque @ 3752

Final pull
205.8 hp @ 7300 ( I did have one pull at 209, however Jan didn't like the A/F)
182.4 torque @ 3761

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...9&d=1213925645

billzcat1 06-20-2008 11:15 AM

NAM User: searocko

Specs:
2005 MCS
RMW Street Header
RMW Cam
15% pulley
380cc Bosch injectors
NGK Iridium BKR7EIX-11

stock cat-back
stock airbox and filter

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...0/JanTune1.jpg

billzcat1 06-20-2008 11:17 AM

NAM User: ear2ear

2005 MCSc
Dinan CAI
Miltek Catback Exhaust
17% pulley
380 injectors
GP intercooler
NGK BKR7EQUP

Initial pull HP 190.1 @ 6302
Final pull HP 200.8 @ 7200
Initial pull TQ 182.3 @ 3653
Final pull TQ 185.0 @ 3786

(dyno chart not posted)

billzcat1 06-20-2008 11:20 AM

NAM User: pure13

Mods: Mini-Madness Stage 3 system, M7 CAI

Before: 188.8 whp (with Evotech "tune")
After: 203.7 whp (RMW)

JIMINNI 06-20-2008 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by billzcat1 (Post 2314330)
NAM User: fingershooter

My configuration:
2006 MCS
Dinan CAI
Milltek exhaust
15% pulley
JCW 380cc injectors

Initial pull:
194.2 hp @ 6910
178.2 torque @ 3752

Final pull
205.8 hp @ 7300 ( I did have one pull at 209, however Jan didn't like the A/F)
182.4 torque @ 3761

Hmm. So I assume the initial pull is 194WHP? So if it is that would calculate to roughly 213 BHP correct? So if a stock 2006 MCS has 168 BHP then his initial mods: CAI, pulley, and a cat-back gained him 45 BHP? Or am I reading this wrong?

johnf36 06-20-2008 12:28 PM

Keep the numbers coming in :thumbsup:

custard 06-20-2008 01:01 PM

not as impressive as the others....
 
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.. but nice gains from a "weak" example. Guess my car was Friday afternoon build :razz:
Great gains under the curve, certainly drives much, much better.

2003 MCS
Dinan CAI
Miltek Catback
15% pulley
380 injectors

Initial pull HP 163.7 @ 6900
Final pull HP 178.2 @ 6635

Initial pull TQ 156.2 @ 3936
Final pull TQ 162.7 @ 3853

billzcat1 06-20-2008 01:20 PM

NAM User: custard's dyno plot full-sized. Great improvement! Worth every penny/pence/pfennig for sure.

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...2&d=1213992062

billzcat1 06-20-2008 01:25 PM

Taken from the main thread -


Originally Posted by pure13
FYI, Jan said '05, '06 have much tighter engine tolerance from factory compare to pre '05 cars. With the same mods '05, '06 could make more than 20~30hp compare to pre '05 cars. And the results I saw today while I was there is very much true to that effect. So don't be disappointed when your pre '05 car don't pull big number like Searocko and Fingershooter


//MZero 06-20-2008 01:41 PM

Question...did fingershooter have ANY previous tune or was he simply running the pulley/intake/exhaust/injectors with no tune to make the 194 pre-RMW figure? Also, does Jan consider it "safe" to do this for a prolonged period of time? I ask because I plan to do these upgrades but it will be a while before I can get to Jan for a tune based on where I live. Hopefully this isn't too off topic, but I'm sure others will have similar questions.

billzcat1 06-20-2008 01:47 PM

I don't know about fingershooter's pre-tune ECU.

And I'm not the Wizard of tuning but can report on my observations. *Most* of the modded/untuned Mini AFR charts i've seen go pretty rich in the center and lean out as they run out of injector way up top. As long as you aren't raping it all the way to redline the worst you suffer is a sooty tailpipe (you might want to see a doctor about that!) and some reduced power output. And honestly, I'm not too worried about knock up top because the most susceptible region to knock in any motor is the torque peak, where coincidentally you are also running the richest with stock fuel mapping.

fingershooter 06-20-2008 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by AeroCooper (Post 2314651)
Question...did fingershooter have ANY previous tune or was he simply running the pulley/intake/exhaust/injectors with no tune to make the 194 pre-RMW figure? Also, does Jan consider it "safe" to do this for a prolonged period of time? I ask because I plan to do these upgrades but it will be a while before I can get to Jan for a tune based on where I live. Hopefully this isn't too off topic, but I'm sure others will have similar questions.

No, my MINI only had the mods that I noted. Jan said my just happened to be one of those "strong" ones. I guess I am just lucky. :thumbsup:

I was very surprised by the initial numbers that my car ran.

Shane

user 7082082 06-20-2008 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by custard (Post 2314558)
.. but nice gains from a "weak" example. Guess my car was Friday afternoon build :razz:
Great gains under the curve, certainly drives much, much better.

2003 MCS
Dinan CAI
Miltek Catback
15% pulley
380 injectors

Initial pull HP 163.7 @ 6900
Final pull HP 178.2 @ 6635

Initial pull TQ 156.2 @ 3936
Final pull TQ 162.7 @ 3853

Just curious, how many miles do you have ? I have a 06 with 48k and my #'s were pretty low too.

user 7082082 06-20-2008 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by billzcat1 (Post 2314600)
NAM User: custard's dyno plot full-sized. Great improvement! Worth every penny/pence/pfennig for sure.

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...2&d=1213992062

How many miles ?

//MZero 06-20-2008 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by fingershooter (Post 2314695)
No, my MINI only had the mods that I noted. Jan said my just happened to be one of those "strong" ones. I guess I am just lucky. :thumbsup:

I was very surprised by the initial numbers that my car ran.

Shane

Thanks for the info and congratulations :thumbsup:

custard 06-20-2008 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by COOUUPER S (Post 2314744)
How many miles ?

About 64k. Talking to Jan, it seems like there is a lot of variation between cars, with the later models usually being stronger due to better tolerances.

I'm not too hung up on the numbers to be honest - the gains, while not huge, were pretty nice. Much better area under the curve, and Jan was suprised that i still have the stock header, as the torque curve is pretty broad. Overall i'm really pleased with the change in the car - it pulls better, is much smoother, and now i at least know that it's running as well as it can be.

My only disappointment was Jan. After all the posts about him on NAM I either expected the son of Satan with horn's and all, or a eerie angelic glow and the sound of harps. All I got was a really nice bloke, sharp as a tack, and a fine engineer. :wink:

fingershooter 06-20-2008 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by AeroCooper (Post 2314749)
Thanks for the info and congratulations :thumbsup:

One note on my mods, the injectors I put on only a couple of nights prior to the tune. The rest of the mods (CAI, Pulley, Cat-back) have been on the car for over a year.

Hope this helps.

ED955S 06-20-2008 03:42 PM

Custard: Did you change the plugs, belt, and check for boost leak? Check your compression too.

custard 06-20-2008 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by ED955S (Post 2314854)
Custard: Did you change the plugs, belt, and check for boost leak? Check your compression too.

Yep plugs, belt and boost (15PSi) are all good. Been thinking about compression check. Thanks for the ideas.

fingershooter 06-20-2008 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by JIMINNI (Post 2314475)
Hmm. So I assume the initial pull is 194WHP? So if it is that would calculate to roughly 213 BHP correct? So if a stock 2006 MCS has 168 BHP then his initial mods: CAI, pulley, and a cat-back gained him 45 BHP? Or am I reading this wrong?

Yes, the 194 was my initial pull and I was completely surprised. Even Jan seemed a little surprised at the number and ran it again, and it pulled a 193.? (don't remember exactly). I certainly have no explaination for these numbers. :confused: Having said this, I am very satisfied with how my numbers turned out and how the car drives now.

I personally don't hold a lot of confidence in the specific numbers (high or low), but instead the deviation between the before and after. While my peak to peak torque only increased 4, my torque increased across the whole dynamic range. So count me another happy camper. :nod:

Shane

JIMINNI 06-20-2008 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by fingershooter (Post 2314934)
Yes, the 194 was my initial pull and I was completely surprised. Even Jan seemed a little surprised at the number and ran it again, and it pulled a 193.? (don't remember exactly). I certainly have no explaination for these numbers. :confused: Having said this, I am very satisfied with how my numbers turned out and how the car drives now.

I personally don't hold a lot of confidence in the specific numbers (high or low), but instead the deviation between the before and after. While my peak to peak torque only increased 4, my torque increased across the whole dynamic range. So count me another happy camper. :nod:

Shane

I would agree those are great numbers :thumbsup: Wish mine would have done that.

JPit 06-20-2008 04:53 PM

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...1&d=1214005765

big howe 06-20-2008 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by custard (Post 2314803)
About 64k. Talking to Jan, it seems like there is a lot of variation between cars, with the later models usually being stronger due to better tolerances.

I'm not too hung up on the numbers to be honest - the gains, while not huge, were pretty nice. Much better area under the curve, and Jan was suprised that i still have the stock header, as the torque curve is pretty broad. Overall i'm really pleased with the change in the car - it pulls better, is much smoother, and now i at least know that it's running as well as it can be.

My only disappointment was Jan. After all the posts about him on NAM I either expected the son of Satan with horn's and all, or a eerie angelic glow and the sound of harps. All I got was a really nice bloke, sharp as a tack, and a fine engineer. :wink:

Jan doesn't have horns?????:sly:

JPit 06-20-2008 05:00 PM

Had a fine time at Speed Factory today. Jan is a nice guy who is very knowledgable and will answer all your questions. I was happy with results and it only took about 45 minutes to finish. My MINI is an 05 MCS Cabrio with a 17% pulley, obx header, 380cc injectors, Pilo Racing CAI and NGK Iridium (7) plugs. Pulled 200 even but the torque improved across the board and all the rough spots are gone.


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