Navigation & Audio WARNING: Don't buy from autotoys.com!
#1
WARNING: Don't buy from autotoys.com!
All, wanted to share my experience with you and forewarn other MINI owners accordingly.
I have an R53 with factory H/K with SIRIUS. Didn't want to change the stereo as I think it sounds fine. However, really wanted iPhone connectivity via Bluetooth and wired along with a phone kit. Looked around online and came across Autotoys.com. Emailed them many times with specific questions and got the answers I was looking for. Specifically, their GROM unit that supposedly was a quick install with a microphone / Bluetooth option as I've been using a Jabra Bluetooth speaker for phone calls which everyone tells me sounded awful. I was told that their kit wouldn't interfere with my factory Sirius as I've already paid up for a year and love it. So I bit the bullet and ordered their kit. Paid around $170 for everything. When it arrived the main control box had two round female connectors but only came with one round male wire. I emailed them again and sent photos of what I received. At this point the told me I had everything I needed and to go install it. Then (after I purchased everything) they told me they wouldn't answer any tech questions via email and to use their online forums. Hmmm...Went to their website and registered. Got a link to a "customers only" video that was supposed to show a detailed install. Yeah, the video was 3 years old with no audio and was missing quite a bit of detail. So....
Went to a local installer today who really knows his stuff with over 20 years experience. I've seen his work and he quoted me a very good price to install the kit. Well, after he installed it he told me I couldn't have the GROM and SIRIUS as it used the same port! I was adamant after all the emails from Autotoys.com that he was wrong. He pulled it all apart and showed me. I emailed Autotoys and they again told me to go on their forums which I did. Laid it all out and their answer was to (now) tell me that I could buy ANOTHER wire from them IF my factory Sirius had "expansion ports" which basically T'd it off. Yeah, the installer told me my factory Sirius doesn't have expansion ports. I responded to Autotoys forum post and explained all this to them and was explicit as to how clear I was in all my emails pre-purchase that I wasn't interested in the unit if I couldn't retain my Sirius. They wouldn't post my response and never replied. So this begs a couple of questions. (1) If my Sirius did have expansion ports and I "needed" this cable, how come they didn't tell me about it in the numerous emails I sent them before and after the purchase in which I specifically made my point about retaining Sirius and wanted to buy everything is need? and (2) Why couldn't they be honest and tell me I couldn't keep my Sirius with their unit?
Also, just an FYI - I couldn't respond to their response. Anytime you make a post all responses have to be "approved by a moderator" and since I was clear about feeling lied to and not being a happy customer, let's just say my posts never saw the light of day. I followed up with an email to which their only response was; "we responded to you in the forums". I asked why my response to theirs wasn't posted and no answer. I asked for a phone number and they claim they don't have one (yet they're located in NJ) - Bottom line, I installed the GROM and contacted Sirius. I had them disconnect my car from their service and hook me up with streaming service which I can play through their app on my iPhone. Thank goodness I have an unlimited data plan with my carrier otherwise I'd be screwed because I listen to Howard Stern to and from work for hours every day. So, buyer beware; if a company doesn't have a phone number - stay away. These folks are SHADY and I wound up paying my installer for extra time based on their emails to me (which I showed the installer) claiming I could successfully run their kit without interfering with my factory Sirius. Ehhh...wrong.
There are other units out there I'm sure and if you buy a GROM or anything else just don't buy from these guys. Unless you enjoy ZERO customer service, no real technical support, and a "forum" that's as controlled as **** Germany was in WWII...
I have an R53 with factory H/K with SIRIUS. Didn't want to change the stereo as I think it sounds fine. However, really wanted iPhone connectivity via Bluetooth and wired along with a phone kit. Looked around online and came across Autotoys.com. Emailed them many times with specific questions and got the answers I was looking for. Specifically, their GROM unit that supposedly was a quick install with a microphone / Bluetooth option as I've been using a Jabra Bluetooth speaker for phone calls which everyone tells me sounded awful. I was told that their kit wouldn't interfere with my factory Sirius as I've already paid up for a year and love it. So I bit the bullet and ordered their kit. Paid around $170 for everything. When it arrived the main control box had two round female connectors but only came with one round male wire. I emailed them again and sent photos of what I received. At this point the told me I had everything I needed and to go install it. Then (after I purchased everything) they told me they wouldn't answer any tech questions via email and to use their online forums. Hmmm...Went to their website and registered. Got a link to a "customers only" video that was supposed to show a detailed install. Yeah, the video was 3 years old with no audio and was missing quite a bit of detail. So....
Went to a local installer today who really knows his stuff with over 20 years experience. I've seen his work and he quoted me a very good price to install the kit. Well, after he installed it he told me I couldn't have the GROM and SIRIUS as it used the same port! I was adamant after all the emails from Autotoys.com that he was wrong. He pulled it all apart and showed me. I emailed Autotoys and they again told me to go on their forums which I did. Laid it all out and their answer was to (now) tell me that I could buy ANOTHER wire from them IF my factory Sirius had "expansion ports" which basically T'd it off. Yeah, the installer told me my factory Sirius doesn't have expansion ports. I responded to Autotoys forum post and explained all this to them and was explicit as to how clear I was in all my emails pre-purchase that I wasn't interested in the unit if I couldn't retain my Sirius. They wouldn't post my response and never replied. So this begs a couple of questions. (1) If my Sirius did have expansion ports and I "needed" this cable, how come they didn't tell me about it in the numerous emails I sent them before and after the purchase in which I specifically made my point about retaining Sirius and wanted to buy everything is need? and (2) Why couldn't they be honest and tell me I couldn't keep my Sirius with their unit?
Also, just an FYI - I couldn't respond to their response. Anytime you make a post all responses have to be "approved by a moderator" and since I was clear about feeling lied to and not being a happy customer, let's just say my posts never saw the light of day. I followed up with an email to which their only response was; "we responded to you in the forums". I asked why my response to theirs wasn't posted and no answer. I asked for a phone number and they claim they don't have one (yet they're located in NJ) - Bottom line, I installed the GROM and contacted Sirius. I had them disconnect my car from their service and hook me up with streaming service which I can play through their app on my iPhone. Thank goodness I have an unlimited data plan with my carrier otherwise I'd be screwed because I listen to Howard Stern to and from work for hours every day. So, buyer beware; if a company doesn't have a phone number - stay away. These folks are SHADY and I wound up paying my installer for extra time based on their emails to me (which I showed the installer) claiming I could successfully run their kit without interfering with my factory Sirius. Ehhh...wrong.
There are other units out there I'm sure and if you buy a GROM or anything else just don't buy from these guys. Unless you enjoy ZERO customer service, no real technical support, and a "forum" that's as controlled as **** Germany was in WWII...
#2
Why didn't you buy the stuff locally from your installer? Seems like these kinds of products are best handled locally.
I don't know anything about autotoys.com, but I never buy anything on the internet based upon conversations with the company, I need to know from printed literature or local word of mouth that it is going to work upfront.
I don't know anything about autotoys.com, but I never buy anything on the internet based upon conversations with the company, I need to know from printed literature or local word of mouth that it is going to work upfront.
#3
#4
Why didn't you buy the stuff locally from your installer? Seems like these kinds of products are best handled locally. I don't know anything about autotoys.com, but I never buy anything on the internet based upon conversations with the company, I need to know from printed literature or local word of mouth that it is going to work upfront.
#5
Good luck! Just don't buy anything from Autotoys.com! Literally ANYONE else, so long as they have a phone number and are willing to actually talk to you! ;-)
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Drivetrain Replacement MAF Sensor Plug Clip
absolutcamper
Drivetrain (Cooper S)
4
08-24-2015 12:27 PM
minipopkart
R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006)
2
08-13-2015 05:22 AM