Drivetrain Aftermarket replacement for hydraulic motor mount?
#151
Could you folks who have installed the TSW kit on anotherwise stock mini comment on NVH issues? Wondering if I should get an new OEM mount and one of the Stabilizer bars instead. I'm not keen on extra vibrations, but I'm not keen on having to replace the mount every X miles either. Always trade offs I guess.
The TSW mount is highly recommended.
#152
I had the TSW mount installed at MOTD. My NVH issues vary based on outside temperature and the RPM of the engine. There is a more noticeable vibration at idle; I can see my steering wheel vibrate at times. The fact they occur is because of the upgrade from hydraulics (or even regular rubber) to polyurethene.
I considered replacing the mount with another OEM one, but I did not want to face the same problem down the road. Plus, the TSW mount helps better with engine torque. To me, your power is better applied to the ground with it.
I considered replacing the mount with another OEM one, but I did not want to face the same problem down the road. Plus, the TSW mount helps better with engine torque. To me, your power is better applied to the ground with it.
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#156
Sounds about right. Mine first one went at 17,000; I have another OEM one in there now (The TSW wasn't available when my first one went).
I'm eventually going to replace the OEM one with a TSW when I get close to 15,000 miles or so. When the OEM mount goes, the ensuing mess isn't pretty...
#157
It's true that the TSW engine mount adds some NVH (especially the V) compared to the OEM mount. For some it's not so bad and an acceptable tradeoff. My car's got a lot of NVH already, so I was surprised that I noticed it so much and how much it annoyed me. My solution?
I already had the VIP stabilizer, so I just married the two: the TSW urethane unit (sans stabilizer) with the VIP stabilizer. Still stiffer than a teenager in the morning...
I already had the VIP stabilizer, so I just married the two: the TSW urethane unit (sans stabilizer) with the VIP stabilizer. Still stiffer than a teenager in the morning...
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#161
So it sound like stock or the TSW model is our only choice. How much vibration "does" the TSW make
#162
Engine Mount
in Fresno was making. I have no idea if it's in production, being tested, or discontinued.
Hope this helps...
#163
I wasn't kidding about the SoCal shop, just the underground part, - someone was making some trick mounts. Kazlot might be right.......
#164
I've got about 60k on that mount now, but the second rubber cushion. I believe if we incorporate a VIP type engine damper it will keep the engine from migrating back on the mount and causing the pinch that ultimately destroys it. I have purposely not run the TSW damper that you see the mount for so I can get a good idea of how the mount works. Without any damping there is very little increase in NVH. I'm now running the BSH lower mount to see how that affects the mount. There is definitely less movement so I expect the mount to survive longer. There is a little more vibration from the BSH mount, but no more than on a MINI with a stock mount. Don't hold your breath for production, but maybe it will get built someday.
Steve
Steve
#165
The TSW mount adds a small amount of vibration. If your beast is smoother than a standard R53, then you'll have less. I'm actually thinking about putting vibration damping on the gas pedal. And for the mount you pictured, you might want to talk to Van at SCMM.
#167
I had mine replaced 6k ago at 28k and asked if Mini had an improved design. The answer is NO. Eventually warranties will expire and Mini will reap profits for knowingly producing a $shitty part. If it's not a safety issue, they don't need to do anything.
#168
Hey Paul--give it a try if you find the TSW a little harsh. As you can see it's a simple exchange of the damper bar.
I noticed it during the cold months, and maybe if you don't suffer from too many sub-zero days you don't need it. But it's a nice use of some spare parts...LOL
I noticed it during the cold months, and maybe if you don't suffer from too many sub-zero days you don't need it. But it's a nice use of some spare parts...LOL
#169
I'm hopefully getting my TSW mount installed this weekend. If the NVH is too much, I may try drilling into the sides near the center ridge with a 1/4" drill bit in an offset pattern above and below the center line, and then filling the holes with regular silicone. I figure that may soften the mount some without compromising the strength. I'm going to start with 4 holes on each side of center, and figure I can add more holes and regular silicone until I get the desired dampening effect.
It would be neat to make a mount like this with concentric rings with different durometers of hardness, that you could slide in and out to fine tune, kind of like those new weight sets that let you lock the different weight sizes in an off the bar. LOL.
It would be neat to make a mount like this with concentric rings with different durometers of hardness, that you could slide in and out to fine tune, kind of like those new weight sets that let you lock the different weight sizes in an off the bar. LOL.
#170
RIP motor mount. It looks like next week I'll be putting in the TSW mount. I'm going to put in a new expansion tank too to avoid that time bomb. Mine is brown (I guess it is supposed to be clear).
#171
I'm glad to see this thread. I replaced my Engine Mount this past Saturday and noticed the noise/vibration changes right away. I thought I installed the TSW mount incorrectly. I feel better knowing others are getting the same vibes. One good thing that came from the swap is the power to the ground transfer. I did and unexpected 2nd gear chirp Sunday afternoon, which never happened before. Next I will swap the control are bushings with powerflex bushings.
DrPhil - How is the vibration with the marriage of the VIP/TSW Eng Mt?
DrPhil - How is the vibration with the marriage of the VIP/TSW Eng Mt?
#172
Got my TSW mount installed on Friday. There is definitely some more vibration, wouldn't say any more noise. It's not horrible, but it's there. I can live with it and not have to deal with the mount blowing out. What a mess to clean up! If they come out with something softer, I'll swap out at some point. At least it's an easy install.
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