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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 08:12 AM
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Japanese Tires... 205/45/17 - 215/45/17

Ok... I know I know... there are so many threads about tires, but searching here is not easy.
Anyway, I'm about to get my 3rd set of tires for my '06 MCS. I'm running 215/45/17 Toyo Proxes 4... They are good, but not as expected. So I have these options in mind, please help me to choose. I'm looking for great performance, comfort and durability. I'm also unsure about going back to 205/45/17...

1. Falken FK452
2. Nitto Neo Gen 2
3. Falken Ziex Ze912
4. Yokohama Parada Spec 2
5. Hankook Ventus Sport K104

I don't want to spend more than $90 per tire.
I already tested the Falken FK452 and liked them a lot, great performance and excellent comfort. I am really sorry I returned them (liked more Toyo PX4s' look), anyway I think they wouldn't last too long.

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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 08:14 AM
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really like my fk452
 
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 08:23 AM
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Has anyone tried the Falken 912? I know they last longer, but not sure about performance. I don't want a tire that keeps spinning when I need to launch.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 08:31 AM
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really like my fk452
What size? What do you like the most about it?
 
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by paipuky
Has anyone tried the Falken 912? I know they last longer, but not sure about performance. I don't want a tire that keeps spinning when I need to launch.
I've been running them on the MCSc for about six months now. They grip the roads extremely well. When I was running the original run-flats, it was tough to take off without getting a little squeel and spinning them. The the 912's no such problem.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 09:19 AM
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Check out the Nitto Neogens in 215 x 45 x 17......

Available at Discount tire for $86...Be sure to read the reviews...Very positive (5 star). Just put them on my car and they are really awesome.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by paipuky
Has anyone tried the Falken 912? I know they last longer, but not sure about performance. I don't want a tire that keeps spinning when I need to launch.
Unfortunately there is always a trade off between traction and tread wear. You will never get both in the same tire, it is always a compromise. You will have to choose which way the compromise goes, traction ot tread wear.

I love my Falken Azenis RT-615s, fantastic traction, DOT approved. But I do not care about tread wear on those tires. They have a stiff sidewall so maybe not the most comfortable tire. Maybe you should be looking for some 16" wheels.

You could find some lighter wheels and less expensive tires in 16" sizes. The extra sidewall would get you a more comfortable ride. Do you have a Limited Slip Differential? That would go a long way toward solving your traction problems. Then you could choose a tire with a higher treadwear rating and still maintain traction because torque would be directed to two tires instead of just one.

Something like the Quaife LSD is a fantastic performance enhancement for quick starts or coming out of a corner.


Good luck.
 

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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 09:42 AM
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912's are the update (new version) of the 512's, which I have. Great, great tire.

They're over at EdgeRacing.com for $62 a pop, currently I think.

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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 10:27 AM
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3. Hankook Ventus Sport K104 <= these are korean...
 
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan
3. Hankook Ventus Sport K104 <= these are korean...
lol... I know... Anyway... they are from Asia... Though I prefer Japanese tires. I just checked the review for Nitto NeoGen and everybody seems to be very happy with them. Anybody else running NITTO?

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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 03:31 PM
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fk452 are smooth running, silent, good tread wear, sticker than i thiught they would be. got them at a good price from edgeracing.com
 
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 03:47 PM
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Yeah, I know Falkens are great tires! And the people from edge racing too.
Now I think I am between the Falken 452, Nitto NeoGen and Falken 912...
The only reason I keep thinking about the 912s is the treadlife, but anyway I think I care a little bit more about performance...
Anybody else running Nittos or Falkens?

Thanks!
 
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 07:00 PM
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I'm running the 912s on 16s for my winter tire in Colorado.

Great tire, good traction in light snow and very good dry performance for a rated winter type tire.

I have taken one very long road trip from Colorado to Missouri. Very good on the twisty back roads of Missouri and just fine on the Interstate.

They did fine in some of our Colorado mountain snow, too.

Looks like they will last a few seasons as I will swap back to 17s in late Spring.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by old81
I'm running the 912s on 16s for my winter tire in Colorado.

Great tire, good traction in light snow and very good dry performance for a rated winter type tire.

I have taken one very long road trip from Colorado to Missouri. Very good on the twisty back roads of Missouri and just fine on the Interstate.

They did fine in some of our Colorado mountain snow, too.

Looks like they will last a few seasons as I will swap back to 17s in late Spring.


Wow, I am really surprised to hear this. I am running the 912's and thought they were horrible in the snow. My last tire was the Conti Extreme Contact and that did okay in the snow. At the time I thought they were adequate for an all season tire but could see where even still a snow tire would be a better choice.

Now after having the 912's in the snow the Conti Extreme's seemed like snow tires in comparison. To me the 912's seem more like a summer tire with a colder compound to still grip in colder weather, even though they are marketed as all season.

I am hoping the warm weather grip of the 912's live up to what I have read on the forums.
 

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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 07:53 PM
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I am located in South Florida, a lot of rain these days. So I am between a Summer tire and an All Season.My option now are Falken 452, Nitto NeoGen and Falken 912.
 
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by paipuky
I am located in South Florida, a lot of rain these days. So I am between a Summer tire and an All Season.My option now are Falken 452, Nitto NeoGen and Falken 912.
i know what you mean i live in miami, rain has been no problem....tread wear wise i have a 200 mile round trip to work every third day and i visit my siter in west palm all the time...tread wear is great on my fk452
 
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by minipete07
i know what you mean i live in miami, rain has been no problem....tread wear wise i have a 200 mile round trip to work every third day and i visit my siter in west palm all the time...tread wear is great on my fk452
Between 452 and 912, which one is better for South Florida? Keep in mind performance and treadlife.
 
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 11:52 AM
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Looks like the 912s have a higher treadwear rating but it is close 360 vs 300. That would be about a 17% better tread life with the 912s.

Just remember, you will need to rotate the tires every 3,000 to 5,000 miles and monitor the air pressure if you want to reach the predicted mileage. Also FL pavement seems to be particularly abrasive on tires, therefore decreasing tread life.
 

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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 11:55 AM
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i hated nitto.

khd- your 912's will grip better in 40F+, i think. i motor'ed my car though
heavy rain the other weekend and it was 40F. grip was pretty good.

but i have to say, 912's in chicago winter sucks.
 
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 01:42 PM
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It seems like performance is a very big deal for you. If that is the case, then go with the Falken FK452. They will provide the grip you are looking for, but not the tread life that you desire. You have to decide on whats more important for you.

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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 06:15 AM
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i love my nitto neogens in 215/45/17...just ordered them in 215/35/18 for my new rims.. the 215/45/17s were like 90 a tire shipped i believe. check out www.discounttiredirect.com

mine even say made in japan haha
 
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 08:29 PM
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Hey Leo!
I guess you found me! Hehehe...Well I still have some tread on my Toyos for a month or so. For now I want to make sure I get the best tires. Right now my first option is the FK452... My friend Daniel got his 452 from you guys for his '07 GTI and he loves them!
So one question, from 1-5 what is your score for wet traction on the 452s?

Talk to you soon.

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It seems like performance is a very big deal for you. If that is the case, then go with the Falken FK452. They will provide the grip you are looking for, but not the tread life that you desire. You have to decide on whats more important for you.

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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 09:33 PM
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I am thinking to go back to 205/45/17 tires... If so, my options are

HANKOOK ventus sport K104
FALKEN Ziex Ze 912
FALKEN Ziex Ze 512

So which one would be the best in performance?
Anyone running those Hankook?

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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 12:53 PM
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Anybody using 215/50/16 tires?
 
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Falken Azenis RT-615, great performance...
 
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