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Mach V Dan Sep 1, 2007 09:46 AM

Rota RB's now available in 17"
 
I posted this as a new products announcement, but thought it'd also be useful here.

Rota RB, previously only available in 15", is now also a 17x7.5" wheel.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...cs020Large.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...landsilver.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...talcloseup.jpg


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24.../Frontside.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...ini/Side-2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...ini/Leaves.jpg

Good points: Wide width, light weight (18.2 pounds), reasonable price, wide polished lip. Fits over JCW/R56 brakes. Fits the late-model tire pressure monitoring (TPMS) sensors. And I love the Panasport/Minilite look.

Annoyances: The hub bore is 1mm larger than the Mini bore, at 57.1mm. Since you won't find a 1mm hub bore adapter, these are going to end up as a lug-centric mounting. From experience, this usually isn't a problem, but the purist in me would prefer perfect hub-centricity.

--Dan
Mach V
FastMINI.net

Nicholi Sep 2, 2007 02:03 PM

Looks like these are now highest in the running for my new wheels. I'm looking forward to seeing how they look on the Mach V. Is a 1mm hub adapter just too thin to work properly? or could it be custom fabricated?

Mach V Dan Sep 2, 2007 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by Nicholi (Post 1727121)
Is a 1mm hub adapter just too thin to work properly? or could it be custom fabricated?

Since there's only 1mm to make up, it would have a thickness of 0.5mm -- something like aluminum can wall thickness? I wouldn't know how or where to get something like that made. It would be extremely fragile!

It might be easier just to have the centers milled out a bit (then you could use more normal hubcentric rings), but that's a pretty big hassle, too...

--Dan
Mach V
FastMINI.net

gjhsu Sep 2, 2007 05:58 PM

These look really cool, like big Miata wheels :D

Hogtied Sep 2, 2007 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by Mach V Dan (Post 1725258)

Dan, Very nice indeed.. what do you intend to use as a center hub cap?

Mach V Dan Sep 4, 2007 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by Hogtied (Post 1727595)
Dan, Very nice indeed.. what do you intend to use as a center hub cap?

They come with a color-matched black-center Rota cap.

--Dan
Mach V
FastMINI.net

70spop Sep 4, 2007 02:52 PM

Oooo!! Can't wait for the spam! Er... pics. :razz: I'm really interested to see how these look in 17". Do you know what the offset is?

How much are these suckers?


EDIT: Duh. I should learn how to read first. :roll: Went back and found all the info. :razz:

Mach V Dan Sep 4, 2007 08:37 PM

Update: Added some pictures to the first post.

--Dan
Mach V
FastMINI.net

Rally@StanceDesign Sep 5, 2007 05:52 AM

It will be interesting to see if these fit on an r50/53. That offset and width will put it mighty close to the suspension bits on the inside. Has anyone worked with this size setup before?

Mach V Dan Sep 5, 2007 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by 70spop (Post 1730979)
EDIT: Duh. I should learn how to read first. :roll: Went back and found all the info. :razz:

Heh! Cool. Thanks.

--Dan
Mach V
FastMINI.net

skillet Sep 5, 2007 08:07 AM

Pics on a MINI, Pics on a MINI, Pics on a MINI, Puh Puh Paleeze! :grin:

DrPhilGandini Sep 5, 2007 08:17 AM

Sorry, but what is the offset?
They look very good. Prolly wont fit my 13" TCE BBK...

Rally@StanceDesign Sep 5, 2007 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by DrPhilGandini (Post 1732331)
Sorry, but what is the offset?
They look very good. Prolly wont fit my 13" TCE BBK...

17x7.5 et45

It's pretty high

nparker Sep 5, 2007 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by RallyMINI (Post 1732109)
It will be interesting to see if these fit on an r50/53. That offset and width will put it mighty close to the suspension bits on the inside. Has anyone worked with this size setup before?

I was running this setup (Motoforge SG-10 @ 17 x 7.5 45mm) on my '03 Cooper S up until last week. Had 214/40 Hankook R-S2 tires. Camber set at -2.25 up front and -1.75 on rear. Koni coilovers dropped 1.5 inches. No rubbing at all. :thumbsup:

Rally@StanceDesign Sep 5, 2007 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by nparker (Post 1732380)
I was running this setup (Motoforge SG-10 @ 17 x 7.5 45mm) on my '03 Cooper S up until last week. Had 214/40 Hankook R-S2 tires. Camber set at -2.25 up front and -1.75 on rear. Koni coilovers dropped 1.5 inches. No rubbing at all. :thumbsup:


good to hear....someone had a similiar setup and said they were mighty close to the coilovers, so i wasn't sure if the extra few mm's would cause a problem.

:thumbsup:

Mach V Dan Sep 5, 2007 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Want-a-mini (Post 1732312)
Pics on a MINI, Pics on a MINI, Pics on a MINI, Puh Puh Paleeze! :grin:

Okay. :thumbsup:

--Dan
Mach V
FastMINI.net

70spop Sep 5, 2007 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Mach V Dan (Post 1725258)


Sweetness! :eek: :thumbsup: I still wanna see a set of the silver-spoke ones on an R53.... like mine. :grin:

So Dan, how noticeable is the difference in hub bore size when putting the wheels on? 1mm? I'd bet it hardly matters. And what size tires are you running? 235/40s? They look pretty wide.

Rally@StanceDesign Sep 5, 2007 10:28 AM

They look really good....nice job

mcs22004 Sep 5, 2007 10:56 AM

Just to be clear 18.2 lbs is not "light weight".

Rally@StanceDesign Sep 5, 2007 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by mcs22004 (Post 1732634)
Just to be clear 18.2 lbs is not "light weight".

False....it is lightweight. Check out how tire rack explains their weight classing. They have a 17 inch wheel at 20 pounds being lightweight.

So it might not compare to other lighter wheels....but if tire rack would consider it lightweight, no reason we shouldn't here as well.

mcs22004 Sep 5, 2007 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by RallyMINI (Post 1732663)
False....it is lightweight. Check out how tire rack explains their weight classing. They have a 17 inch wheel at 20 pounds being lightweight.

So it might not compare to other lighter wheels....but if tire rack would consider it lightweight, no reason we shouldn't here as well.

Except that we do not have to be sheep who believe whatever consumer-level marketing propaganda is barfed upon us. Tirerack can explain "their weight classing" any way they wish. One cannot negotiate away the fact that 18.2 lbs is a lot of weight that will amount to a lot of rotational mass. 18.2 lbs == 18.2 lbs.

Your assertion that 18.2 lb wheels are lightweight simply because Tirerack "explains their weight classing" in a way as to deem it so is incorrect. Tirerack could also classify the shape of the Earth as a tetrahedron, but they would be wrong.

Tirerack is a great resource for mostly consumer-level wheels and tires and wheel/tire packages.

Mach V Dan Sep 5, 2007 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by mcs22004 (Post 1732807)
Except that we do not have to be sheep who believe whatever consumer-level marketing propaganda is barfed upon us.

I'm not sure what your benchmark wheel is, but here are some weights for some of the OEM 17's from Mini. These are all 7" wide wheels, by the way, not 7.5".

S-Lites (R85): 25 pounds
Cross-Spoke (R90): 24 pounds
Bullet (R91): 20.6 pounds
Flame Spoke (R97) (I love this style!): 22 pounds

I could go on, but I don't think there's any original equipment 17" MINI wheel under 20 pounds, and most are 22 pounds and up.

Sure, the aftermarket has plenty of wheels that are lighter than 19 pounds, but many of them don't look good, don't fit this car, or are mega-bucks. In the under-$200 price range, the list gets pretty short.

I stand by my previous statement that 18.2 pounds for a 17x7.5" wheel is "light." Perhaps you are used to 14-pound forged Volks; I dunno. But in my world, 18.2 pounds is certainly better than most.

--Dan
Mach V
FastWRX.com

Rally@StanceDesign Sep 5, 2007 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by mcs22004 (Post 1732807)
Except that we do not have to be sheep who believe whatever consumer-level marketing propaganda is barfed upon us. Tirerack can explain "their weight classing" any way they wish. One cannot negotiate away the fact that 18.2 lbs is a lot of weight that will amount to a lot of rotational mass. 18.2 lbs == 18.2 lbs.

Your assertion that 18.2 lb wheels are lightweight simply because Tirerack "explains their weight classing" in a way as to deem it so is incorrect. Tirerack could also classify the shape of the Earth as a tetrahedron, but they would be wrong.

Tirerack is a great resource for mostly consumer-level wheels and tires and wheel/tire packages.

You're right, instead of believing tire rack....i will start believing you. Sorry. :roll:

I still don't get the point of your post. In your opinion....it's not lightweight? So what? It might not be as light weight as some 14 pound wheel.....but those are generally termed super lightweight. So what do you propose be the guidlines?

mcs22004 Sep 5, 2007 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Mach V Dan (Post 1732853)
I'm not sure what your benchmark wheel is, but here are some weights for some of the OEM 17's from Mini. These are all 7" wide wheels, by the way, not 7.5".

S-Lites (R85): 25 pounds
Cross-Spoke (R90): 24 pounds
Bullet (R91): 20.6 pounds
Flame Spoke (R97) (I love this style!): 22 pounds

I could go on, but I don't think there's any original equipment 17" MINI wheel under 20 pounds, and most are 22 pounds and up.

As you said: "OEM 17's from Mini". Of course they're incredibly heavy.


Originally Posted by Mach V Dan (Post 1732853)
Sure, the aftermarket has plenty of wheels that are lighter than 19 pounds, but many of them don't look good, don't fit this car, or are mega-bucks. In the under-$200 price range, the list gets pretty short.

You get what you pay for. This is why cheap wheels are usually not light. Claiming that cheap wheels are light is altogether different than acknowledging that they're as light as you want to afford.


Originally Posted by Mach V Dan (Post 1732853)
I stand by my previous statement that 18.2 pounds for a 17x7.5" wheel is "light." Perhaps you are used to 14-pound forged Volks; I dunno. But in my world, 18.2 pounds is certainly better than most.

"Better than most" cheap wheels might be a better way to describe the weight of 18.2 lb wheels.

mcs22004 Sep 5, 2007 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by RallyMINI (Post 1732903)
You're right, instead of believing tire rack....i will start believing you. Sorry. :roll:

No need for tears, even though this has gotten sadly comical. You might be better off believing Tirerack; no one pays me to tell people what to think. :lol:

Originally Posted by RallyMINI (Post 1732903)
I still don't get the point of your post.

It really wasn't that complicated.

Originally Posted by RallyMINI (Post 1732903)
It might not be as light weight as some 14 pound wheel.....but those are generally termed super lightweight.

By Tirerack? :lol:

Originally Posted by RallyMINI (Post 1732903)
So what do you propose be the guidlines?

Whatever Tirerack says, I guess. :lol:


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