Sure it's not hitting the unibody seam just above the bar meb?
A bar with that much binding is real bad. Michael, you need to clean that car up!!! I know that's what you are doing. Man, the next time you get on LRP you will be quite happy with all this stuff fixed!

 

It's not hitting anything while on jacks, but I don't know if the torque tube bows in the middle when it twisits...you made me think about that possibility just now. also, I just remembered to re-send swaybar drawings again!

The lack of travel, bumptstops hitting dampers...it's amazing that all else can be perfect, but if the springs and dampers don't work, nothing works!

 

Nope, have never lubed...

Nik

 

Have never had to lube mine since install. The only issue I have had is the delrin bushing on the driver side backed out a couple of weeks ago and it was clanking around until I took things apart to put it back in the right place!

 

And what has Waylen designed lately?? What exactly was the bash?

I haven't heard from you - can you shoot me an email so I can help you out?

Thanks,
Randy

 

I am sure the IE bar works great - most all of the rear bars do.

Here are the big differences between the bars:

WMS is a splined torsion tube design - which changes the dynamic of load transfer from a design with less contact. This is a major cost!

The bushing I use was spec'ed by us for this bar, and except for the gripe above which I intend on investigating, have remained maintenance free.

We include droplinks with our swaybar.

We use the highest quality hardware - including the heim joints and collars.

Ours is RED, which is th fastest .

Hope that helps!
Randy

 

Just happened to see this thread and felt that I must respond (am no longer a MINI owner, but had an '06 MCS for a year)...

I thought that the WMS Extreme RSB was the single best mod ever done to my car, and the engineering/construction was full-on race quality and second to none. And if Way was indeed bashing the design I'd love to hear specifics, in addition to seeing a single product he has released/designed in 3+ years of tuning MINIS.

 

I actually spoke with him last night, and mentioned this. He told me it was more of a "I don't like to use them because they are expensive, and most customers don't need that kind of adjustment." I made sure to inform him of how different the bar feels (linear rather than a snap) from a single tubular design. It DOES allow for better control of weight transfer. Why else do all the semi-pro/pro cars use a torsion bar?

-Brian

 

Any bashing was not of the quality of its design, but the fact that lubing it is not as easy as taking a grease gun and being done with it but, My point is still unresolved. How do I permanently fix this annoying Squeek Once and for all?

 

Remove the battery box, then run your exhaust straight out the back, but remove the cat and just use two in line glass packs as mufflers. It won't change the squeek, but you shouldn't be able to hear it anymore.

 

... So THATS why mine doesn't squeek!

-Brian

 

Did you have it installed or do it yourself? When did you buy it? If it was bought within the last 6 months, it should have enough play to allow for movement of the bushing blocks. If you put it in yourself, was it hard to turn the bar once the blocks were tightened?

-Brian

 

I love mine..How's the water in here???

 

Thanks

Though....the IE comes with adjustable droplinks as well.... the blue might be faster for some people too And from what I've heard, their heims and bushings are great

What is a splined torsion tube design entail? Is it having a hollow bar like the h-sport or IE? Or is there more behind the splined torsion part?

 

Nice!

 

I did the install it myself, it was easy. I check and rechecked, everything moves as it should. When traveling at low speeds any movement in the suspension causes the sway bar to squeek at highway speeds it does not squeek. I've lubed it once already. now I'm looking for a permanent fix.

 

just switch the bushings to delrin or some other self lubricating bushing. I have seen the same bushings that HR uses for sale as individual parts at some of the larger race/prep/parts shops online.....

 

Sounds more like Way got caught with his pants down bashing a product he has not carried or has any experience with. Adjustment is why most folks go with a swaybar - you can go with less than stock to full stiff and have the same properties of the other stiff bars. You wouldn't bash a product due to its price.

 

It's a great bar period! And wickedly easy to install...well, unless 'your' frame is a bit tweaked like mine is.

 

We use very high end bushings and heims - the best in my opinion. They are certainly more expensive than other options. I am not sure what Ireland uses - I am sure it is a high quality item as well.

The splined design distributes load faster and more uniformly, which results in a linear transition of load. It is imperative to our bar design, and again, most of the cost comes from the difference in machining both the torsion tube and the endlink (not the droplink).

Our torsion tube is hollow and the bar assembly is the lightest on the market.

Hope that helps!

Randy

 

oops, yah i said droplink and meant endlink

What would make other options experience a less linear transition of load?

Anyone know how much more the IE bar weighs compared to the Webb bar? I always imagined it wouldnt be much as it utilizes a hollow bar as well as aluminum sliders.

 

If you distribute the load amongst as many points as possible, it transfers the load more uniformly. The more points, the more uniform. For instance, a hex is better than a square, a fine spline is better than a coarse spline.

Hope that helps!
Randy

 

Got it, thanks randy

 

OPmini,

I still haven't heard from you! Send an email to randy@webbmotorsports.com please.

Thanks,
Randy

 

Randy
In Jan. I placed an order with you for a Extreme Rear Sway Bar and a standard "S" bar. I recieved the Extreme bar but not the standard "S" bar. I have sent you several E-mails without response. Can you please get in touch with me.
Thanks, Steve