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MINIopoly Dec 5, 2012 06:23 PM

I'm lost with offset help me out
 
I have 17x7.5 wheels now but I want to sit lower since I got bc coils.
I what 16x8 wheels but I don't know what the best offset would be for my style.
Help me out

bluefox280 Dec 5, 2012 08:22 PM

You're forgetting a key element in your calculations: your current offset.
What's the offset on your 7.5" wheels?

- Erik

Creeve Dec 6, 2012 05:17 AM

We also have no idea what "your style" is.

submitaweasel Dec 6, 2012 06:47 AM

Probably between et30&25 front and 25&20 rear.

minsanity Dec 6, 2012 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by Creeve (Post 3637270)
We also have no idea what "your style" is.

Love your stance, Rev. :thumbsup: I presume he'd be lookin' at something like it. Your new wheels on now?

Creeve Dec 6, 2012 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by minsanity (Post 3637321)
Love your stance, Rev. :thumbsup: I presume he'd be lookin' at something like it. Your new wheels on now?

Nope, lots of work still yet to be done. Still don't have the tires nailed down and even after that gets settled the wheels still need to be torn down and refinished.

Dark Dec 6, 2012 07:43 AM

I'm going out on a limb here but if he's not well 'versed' in offsets then it probably wouldn't be the best idea to point him in an aggressive direction with low offsets. Perhaps something in the high 30's low 40's to keep him from having to run stretched tires or doubling up on negative camber.

minsanity Dec 6, 2012 07:51 AM

Looking' forward to how your new wheels will sit, hope you get it sorted soon, Rev.

Agreed that hi 30s & mid 40s are the safest, Dark. Wheel/tire fitments need a lot of tweaking if 'aggressive' is desired. That's where the beauty, challenge & fun are!:thumbsup:

Creeve Dec 6, 2012 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Dark (Post 3637325)
I'm going out on a limb here but if he's not well 'versed' in offsets then it probably wouldn't be the best idea to point him in an aggressive direction with low offsets. Perhaps something in the high 30's low 40's to keep him from having to run stretched tires or doubling up on negative camber.

Well with BC coilovers (I also have them) about the lowest you can go on an 8" wheel is et40. But he wouldn't need stretched tires or excessive camber until he got below et30. Since the OP has BCs camber could easily be set at -1.5 to -1.75, which isn't excessive, and offsets in the high 20s become a consideration.

Dark Dec 6, 2012 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by Creeve (Post 3637342)
Well with BC coilovers (I also have them) about the lowest you can go on an 8" wheel is et40. But he wouldn't need stretched tires or excessive camber until he got below et30. Since the OP has BCs camber could easily be set at -1.5 to -1.75, which isn't excessive, and offsets in the high 20s become a consideration.

That's probably what he needed to hear :thumbsup:

Once he knows roughly what the 'limits' are he'll be able to find a suitable set from there.

MINIopoly Dec 6, 2012 09:30 AM

The offset I have now is +45 and I'm running 5mm spacers in the front so the wheel doesn't rub the coils.
I'm looking to get something like steelies 16x8 et25. Would I need to run a large amount of camber so I don't rub and what tire size would best for a decent stretch
My ideal ride style is hellaflush without a lot of camber so I can get some life out of my tires

cristo Dec 6, 2012 10:06 AM

+45 mm with 5 mm spacers = 40 mm offset.
Going from 7.5 to 8 in. width translates to 1/4 in. less offset (6.35 mm)
so figure about 33.5 mm or less offset would clear the coils.

MINIopoly Dec 6, 2012 10:23 AM

But would it also clear the fenders from excessive rubbing

MinMin2010 Dec 6, 2012 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by cristo (Post 3637406)
+45 mm with 5 mm spacers = 40 mm offset.
Going from 7.5 to 8 in. width translates to 1/4 in. less offset (6.35 mm)
so figure about 33.5 mm or less offset would clear the coils.

What tire are you running with those wheels? The reason I am asking is because I am running a 17x7.5 wheel (+45 offset) with BFG 215/45-17 tires and I get no rubbing whatsoever on my 2009 MCS. That is also with a 1.4" drop.

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Dark Dec 6, 2012 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by MinMin2010 (Post 3637438)
What tire are you running with those wheels? The reason I am asking is because I am running a 17x7.5 wheel (+45 offset) with BFG 215/45-17 tires and I get no rubbing whatsoever on my 2009 MCS. That is also with a 1.4" drop.

No rubbing because it's not a 'hella' flush setup, you're running a (very) conservative setup.

jhull413 Dec 6, 2012 11:41 AM

Glad I saw this post because the whole offset thing confuses me. Let me see if I understand. My OEM 16" 6 spoke twin star wheels have a +48 offset, I believe. The ASA AR1 wheels I got from Tire Rack with my winter tires have a +38 offset. That means that the ASA wheels are 10mm (25/64" or about 3/8") closer to the street side of the car? I assume the further out the tire is, the more effect the camber has on the angle of the tire tread to the pavement? The tire size for both summer and winter tires is 195/55-16 and I have no suspension modifications. I haven't experienced any tire rub on the fender. Should I be okay or are there potential problems like significantly more tire wear, etc?

submitaweasel Dec 6, 2012 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by Dark (Post 3637456)

No rubbing because it's not a 'hella' flush setup, you're running a (very) conservative setup.

+1. For reference 205 tread with = about 8" so for any sort of aggressive stretching you'd have to go to a thinner tire than that. My R53 has a slight rub in the back over jarring bumps with the stock 17x7 et42 running 205/45/17s with about a 2" drop. The front cant go that low for me since I have to clear a few speed bumps to get to my apt. I'm guessing my front is around a 1.5" drop. I elimiated all rake at my current stance so if anyone knows what the stock rake is I would actually know what the difference between front and rear are. With with 16x8s I dont think any wheel rub would be an issue.

EDIT: I just realized this is in the 2nd generation MINIs section. Whoops. :grin:

MinMin2010 Dec 6, 2012 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by Dark (Post 3637456)
No rubbing because it's not a 'hella' flush setup, you're running a (very) conservative setup.

My setup may be considered conservative, but it is totally functional for handling and streetable purposes. Should I ever desire to race it, there is nothing I need to do to it. If someone is choosing to defy the suspension dynamics of their car just so it can set on the ground, more power to them. For me, I believe in form and function.

MINIopoly Dec 6, 2012 12:30 PM

16x8 et30 with 205/40-16. Will that be a good setup for hellaflush standards

Dark Dec 6, 2012 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by MinMin2010 (Post 3637468)
My setup may be considered conservative, but it is totally functional for handling and streetable purposes. Should I ever desire to race it, there is nothing I need to do to it. If someone is choosing to defy the suspension dynamics of their car just so it can set on the ground, more power to them. For me, I believe in form and function.

You don't need to justify your purchase to me, the OP wants a 'hella' flush setup and I pointed out that yours is anything but. Anyone knowledgable of aggressive stances understands that they aren't always the best performance choices.

With a wing that big I sincerely hope you have a desire to race it.

And I'm lol'ing at your form over function comment when you're sporting ccfl angel-eyes :lol:

Creeve Dec 6, 2012 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by jhull413 (Post 3637462)
Glad I saw this post because the whole offset thing confuses me. Let me see if I understand. My OEM 16" 6 spoke twin star wheels have a +48 offset, I believe. The ASA AR1 wheels I got from Tire Rack with my winter tires have a +38 offset. That means that the ASA wheels are 10mm (25/64" or about 3/8") closer to the street side of the car? I assume the further out the tire is, the more effect the camber has on the angle of the tire tread to the pavement? The tire size for both summer and winter tires is 195/55-16 and I have no suspension modifications. I haven't experienced any tire rub on the fender. Should I be okay or are there potential problems like significantly more tire wear, etc?

Most of what you have stated here is incorrect. However, the short answer is yes ASAs with a +38 offset and 195/55/16 tires will fit and wear fine.


Originally Posted by MINIopoly (Post 3637483)
16x8 et30 with 205/40-16. Will that be a good setup for hellaflush standards

Technically a 16x8 et30 will sit flush to the fender. Honestly I don't know if it will live up to your hellaflush standards. I can say that even at full drop on your BC coilovers you will likely still have some wheel gap with a 205/40/16 tire.

submitaweasel Dec 6, 2012 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by Dark (Post 3637510)

You don't need to justify your purchase to me, the OP wants a 'hella' flush setup and I pointed out that yours is anything but. Anyone knowledgable of aggressive stances understands that they aren't always the best performance choices.

With a wing that big I sincerely hope you have a desire to race it.

And I'm lol'ing at your form over function comment when you're sporting ccfl angel-eyes :lol:

Actually he said form and function ;) which to an extent he has some of both, depending on taste. As far as low life standards? Probably not. But his stance is way better than stock, which is what really matters to me. Wheel gap is my mortal enemy.

MINIopoly Dec 6, 2012 07:26 PM

You guys are clearly having a a conflict over his sorta lowered mini.btw, looks sick

submitaweasel Dec 6, 2012 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by MINIopoly (Post 3637720)
You guys are clearly having a a conflict over his sorta lowered mini.btw, looks sick

I'd agree. Minus the blacking out. IMHO blacking out is played out and looks tacky. Otherwise, I'd say its a purpose built machine that I would love to call my own.

MINIopoly Dec 6, 2012 10:04 PM

Yes I am also dealing with the blackout problem. White or gold wheels next


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