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Old Mar 24, 2009 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by FUEGO
The beehive shape of the OEM style front springs limited how much negative camber you could get with adjustable camber plates without "adjusting" the inside surface of your strut tower with a BFH (large hammer) to provide more clearance for the inside edge of the springs. The V3 linear springs don't have the "bulge" in the middle of the spring so it doesn't have issues with clearance to get at least -2.0 degrees of camber adjustment. I have TSW's adjustable camber plates and had previously "adjusted" my strut towers to fit the progressive springs with -2.1 deg of camber in the front.
A little off topic here: how did you adjust the towers to go that negative? When I installed my V2 springs I utilized the precision instrument (BFH) as well and could only go about -1.8deg on driver side before I had contact (I think it was the spring retainer contacting the tower and I didn't want to hammer that as it looked to have welds there I didn't want to break). Passenger side had considerably more camber available but I had to match them to the limiting driver side.

Back on topic, here's my R50 on V2's (with Helix camber plates - that's why the front looks higher than the rear):
 
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Old Mar 25, 2009 | 11:28 PM
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We really need to get together sometime so I can go for a ride in your R50! I really want to see just how great they feel! That'll definitely make up my mind!

Are you available any during the day? Reason I ask is that I'll be on 2nd shift (4pm-12am) the rest of this week and most of next week. If so, send me an e-mail or PM me.

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Mike
 
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 08:28 PM
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 09:48 PM
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 10:01 PM
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TSW Springs V2. There was a problem with my first pair and TSW shipped a 2nd one free of charge no questions asked and I'm on the otherside of the PLANET! Great company to deal with, great products!





 
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Old Mar 30, 2009 | 01:18 PM
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^^ Your MINI looks so sweet! I love the body colored roof!!
 
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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by //MZero
Here you go...my suspension mods are:

TSW Springs (V2 I think...bought them last June)
TSW Camber Plates
TSW Rear Control Arms
TSW X-Brace
Powerflex Front control arm bushings
H-Sport 25.5mm Rear sway bar

Alignment is:
Front
Camber = -2.00
Toe = 0
Caster = 4.25 (not adjustable)

Rear
Camber = -1.25
Toe = 0

The car rides great...I get no complaints from friends or girlfriend. Most people couldn't tell it from stock. I did notice that the spring/shock damping is a little better matched with TSW springs, and I have yet to be able to hit the bumpstops in cornering...expect when I just throw the car into hard 90 degree turns at 50 and let the outside front tire take a beating...then I'll hit the bumpstop. But I really don't do that. Anyway hope this helps...let me know if you have questions
Are you running the TSW springs with the stock shocks?
 
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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FL_blue_MINI
^^ Your MINI looks so sweet! I love the body colored roof!!
Thanks you
 
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ulrichd
Are you running the TSW springs with the stock shocks?

Yes
 
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 08:12 AM
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Guys, any R50 (MC) pics with these springs on?
 
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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 101101
A little off topic here: how did you adjust the towers to go that negative? When I installed my V2 springs I utilized the precision instrument (BFH) as well and could only go about -1.8deg on driver side before I had contact (I think it was the spring retainer contacting the tower and I didn't want to hammer that as it looked to have welds there I didn't want to break). Passenger side had considerably more camber available but I had to match them to the limiting driver side.
I used the BFH and have helped several others make the same adjustment with no ill effects. The nice thing about the V3 springs is they were designed with the non-beehive shape so that you could get more negative camber without needing the BFH. Since mine has already been adjusted I'm unsure of what it to be expected with a pristine strut tower. I'd love to add the V3 springs to my wife's (un-adjusted) MCSa, but she doesn't want to get bumped up a class in BMWCCA AX :shrug:
 
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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 08:12 PM
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BTW - Since I've added the V3 springs I've done one AX, one Time Trial and one two day DE and love the setup on my car even more! With the addition of the v3 springs and their slightly stiffer spring rate my car feels extremely well planted and neutral enough that I can toss it at will and stay in control. I'm done with mods this season as the car is exactly what I want.

Honestly, my car only lacks the new TSW KW coilovers from having everything they (currently) offer on my car. We'll see how I do in AX this year and if I feel that I can honestly take advantage of them I may just go that route at the end of the year. If I do, I'll move the v3 springs to our MCC instead of selling them
 
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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 08:15 PM
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Great looking MINIs Mike S and MZero
 
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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FUEGO
BTW - Since I've added the V3 springs I've done one AX, one Time Trial and one two day DE and love the setup on my car even more! With the addition of the v3 springs and their slightly stiffer spring rate my car feels extremely well planted and neutral enough that I can toss it at will and stay in control. I'm done with mods this season as the car is exactly what I want.

Honestly, my car only lacks the new TSW KW coilovers from having everything they (currently) offer on my car. We'll see how I do in AX this year and if I feel that I can honestly take advantage of them I may just go that route at the end of the year. If I do, I'll move the v3 springs to our MCC instead of selling them
Are you running stock shocks with the V3 springs? Tx. Sorry, I just went back and read that this question was raised already.
 

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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 08:51 PM
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Hey FEUGO,
Your comment about tossing the car around is exactly my experience as well with the V3 set-up. The car jumps right into the new set and gets planted again in a hurry. I find it much more difficult to make the car unsettled.

BTW, I have pristine towers on my 06S with the TSW cambers and am running -2.0° up front with gobs of additional adjustability. My understanding is that you can go all the way to -2.6° easy with no interference or tower adjustments.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mini_racer
My understanding is that you can go all the way to -2.6° easy with no interference or tower adjustments.
I think it depends on a number of issues. Last time I aligned mine I maxed the driver's side out at -2.2 with my butt in the bucket . Probably enough room to get -2.6 on the passenger side for a CCW DE.

I had tons of clearance between the spring and the "adjusted" strut tower as well as the top hat. I ran out of slide in the adjustable camber plate. Some cars just seem to sit a bit differently and may be able to get more out of it; or maybe its just my 230# in the seat.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 09:02 AM
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I also went with the version 3 TSW springs after having the version 1 for a good while.

As said above, the ride is improved and the car feels more stable when making a turn, much more in control, seems to track better.

I feel sure the front end of the car will feel more planted and more predictable when at the track.

I highly recommend the change.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 08:22 PM
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My V3 is getting installed tomorrow. I'll give my feedback and see how much it differs to the Sport Suspension Plus that I have.
 
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Old Apr 17, 2009 | 05:47 PM
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V3 installed and no obstacles encountered.
At first, I was really skeptical about the claims of users that these springs will improve the ride and feel of the car due to its 200 spring rate (advertised) which is about 20% stiffer than stock but it is true indeed yet more stable on hard corner speed. How did they do it?
The drop is just perfect to my taste and as others have experienced, it will still drop a bit. The liftback look of the OEM due to higher rear height is gone. The new stance looks much better.
The rear camber became slightly more negative but I actually like it and will likely give more cornering grip benefit on limits. The camber is OK in the front and it's not very obvious in the rear so there is no need for adjustable rear control arm which is a bonus for the TSW V3.
So far so good and the money is well spent. It definitely Rocks as one member summed it up.
 
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