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Old 11-14-2018, 11:44 AM
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With no more STX, which class are you going with?

Seems like even running R888s or a streetable 100AA tire in SMF may be a better option that trying to fit 11" wheels and running STU.

What say you?

I've already asked STH people locally if they mind me running their class...
 
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Old 11-14-2018, 01:23 PM
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Has SCCA announced that they're killing the STX class?!?

EDIT: Nevermind. I found it. Really sucks that MINIs keep getting kicked around and put in Street Touring classes where they have trouble being competitive. It almost feels like the SCCA has a hate on for MINIs sometimes.
 

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Old 11-17-2018, 02:40 PM
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Am I missing something? Where is the announcement?
 
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Old 11-21-2018, 10:57 AM
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On small local lots I think an STX prep R56 would still crush STU, I think you need room to run before the bigger, more powerful cars can close the gap. The index change is brutal for overall points if your region does that though. (.815 -> .828)

SMF is a pretty big commitment in prep cost, cost per run, and pretty much taking your car out of DD-ability if you actually want to be competitive. And one of those ancient flyweight Hondas is a far better SMF choice.

I don't think there's a great place, from a National perspective, for an R56 S anymore. It's still a hilariously fun autocross car and plenty capable locally with the larger talent spread.
 
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On small local lots I think an STX prep R56 would still crush STU, I think you need room to run before the bigger, more powerful cars can close the gap. The index change is brutal for overall points if your region does that though. (.815 -> .828)

SMF is a pretty big commitment in prep cost, cost per run, and pretty much taking your car out of DD-ability if you actually want to be competitive. And one of those ancient flyweight Hondas is a far better SMF choice.

I don't think there's a great place, from a National perspective, for an R56 S anymore. It's still a hilariously fun autocross car and plenty capable locally with the larger talent spread.
You raise good points.
 
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I don't think there's a great place, from a National perspective, for an R56 S anymore. It's still a hilariously fun autocross car and plenty capable locally with the larger talent spread.
Are you sure that Cooper is kicked out of STX? Should we wait for the end of the year, or december fastrack?
 
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Kicked out and go where?
 
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kicked out and go where?
STU

Following taext copied from page 5 of the SCCA July 2018 Fastrack News:

 

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Craig Wilcox did finish second at Nationals this year in what looked like a STX+ prepped car. It was a weird year with all the rain but if Brian Kuehl had made another run in EP instead of SMF, Craig would have won the class by 4 seconds over the best finishing Honda.

At the local level, the mini can fit some pretty fat front tires by just removing the plastic overfenders and street modified lets you fix some of the dumb mini stuff that breaks all the time. STX turned into a ghost town locally once everyone figured out their BRZs have no torque. The only real problem with SMF is the 2125lb minimum weight for the 1.6 engine. I am not sure how you would get there even with fancy carbon fiber bits everywhere.
 
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:20 AM
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Craig Wilcox did finish second at Nationals this year in what looked like a STX+ prepped car. It was a weird year with all the rain but if Brian Kuehl had made another run in EP instead of SMF, Craig would have won the class by 4 seconds over the best finishing Honda.

At the local level, the mini can fit some pretty fat front tires by just removing the plastic overfenders and street modified lets you fix some of the dumb mini stuff that breaks all the time. STX turned into a ghost town locally once everyone figured out their BRZs have no torque. The only real problem with SMF is the 2125lb minimum weight for the 1.6 engine. I am not sure how you would get there even with fancy carbon fiber bits everywhere.
Criag told me he only removed the rear seats and got more power from a tune. I’ll be lucky to get down to 2225lbs think I still have another 100 to go. Probably not going to happen. I did fit the 275’s on 17’s without much problem at all. I plan on doing a lot more National events next year. I’ve already beat Haydu Janusz a few times this year in there Civic. The main problem I see now is it’s going to be very expensive to get anymore power out of mine.
 
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Officially official in December Fast Track. Yes, I realize the F56 base is listed in both classes, I'd wager they intended that to go to STU as well.

#24601 Specific model / year classing for the Mini’s
The STAC is recommending moving the second and third generation (2007-2018) mini Cooper S (and JCW) to STU.
The first generation (2001-2007) Cooper S and JCW would stay in STX.

Modify listings in Appendix A as follows:
STU Mini Cooper S & Cooper S JCW (2007-2018) Cooper (non-S) (2014-2018)
STX Mini Cooper (non-S) (2014-15) Cooper S & Cooper S JCW (incl. 2004-05 dealer-installed) (2001-2006)
 
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Thanks for the update
 
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As Bill Cioni pointed out on the SCCA NER site, this change is NOT effective in 2019.

Unless noted otherwise the effective date for all new rule, class, and listing change proposals herein is 1/1/2020.

Cheers,

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Originally Posted by cmt52663 View Post
As Bill Cioni pointed out on the SCCA NER site, this change is NOT effective in 2019.

Unless noted otherwise the effective date for all new rule, class, and listing change proposals herein is 1/1/2020.

Cheers,

Charlie
I'll bet 5 internet points that date is in error.
 
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Might be - but if so it's a publication error from SCCA,

Here's the PDF, using the link emailed from SCCA.

Both the fire and the frying pan are nice and toasty.

Cheers,

Charlie
 
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