Magnuson-Moss Act
I see so many people ask about this that I think the Moderators should consider making it a sticky. Here is the link:
http://www.seniormag.com/legal/lemon...gnusonmoss.htm |
i agree with a sticky! this is important for modders to know about..
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Yes, and what a lot of people if not most, don't know that it is used for buybacks. The Magnuson Moss Act is much, much easier to file than a state's Lemon Laws. In fact, I would say avoid the Lemon Law altogether.
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Sticky by request!
It IS very important for those that are concern about their warranty and what their specific rights are and how to arm themselves with knowledge against an uncooperative dealership. |
You must also understand that the Dealer has first right of refusal to do any work on the car.
They can simply NOT work on your car, and it's never a warranty, MM, or Lemon issue. Keep that in mind, and be nice and friendly with 'em. Last thing you want to do is piss off the service manager. |
Just curious as a newbie to the Mini world...Are there so many problems with Mini's and dealerships that people are having to resort to legal action to get their problems resolved?
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Originally Posted by creseida
Just curious as a newbie to the Mini world...Are there so many problems with Mini's and dealerships that people are having to resort to legal action to get their problems resolved?
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If anyone has a URL for a case where the consumer has won againt any car company for a "performance mod" (e.g., CAI, pulley, etc.) Please post.
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Originally Posted by chows4us
(Post 1506992)
If anyone has a URL for a case where the consumer has won againt any car company for a "performance mod" (e.g., CAI, pulley, etc.) Please post.
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Originally Posted by caminifan
(Post 1508289)
Don't hold your breath waiting for a post....:lol:
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Originally Posted by chows4us
(Post 1508417)
Exactly. And yet ... ppl tout or scream MM and I can't find a single case where a consumer one that was based on performance mods (there are cases on different issues).
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I believe that this is very important and it should become a sticky.
+1 for the sticky:thumbsup: |
Originally Posted by ChrisMCS04
(Post 1579701)
I believe that this is very important and it should become a sticky.
+1 for the sticky:thumbsup: |
My Mini (2006MC) spent 5 weeks in the shop, during the first 6 months of ownership. Electrical Short in the Digital sound module, Instrument Cluster, Security System. The technican had left the battery cable loose when installing the Digital Sound Module, Cowl gasket loose, Hardware holding Muffler left loose. Dealer was less than helpful had to get Mini Usa involved. Second Dealer looked at the car and said the battery cable is loose. First dealer had replaced D. Sound Module amp (twice) and instrument Cluster (once).
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Originally Posted by wildcrazy442000
(Post 1806896)
My Mini (2006MC) spent 5 weeks in the shop, during the first 6 months of ownership. Electrical Short in the Digital sound module, Instrument Cluster, Security System. The technican had left the battery cable loose when installing the Digital Sound Module, Cowl gasket loose, Hardware holding Muffler left loose. Dealer was less than helpful had to get Mini Usa involved. Second Dealer looked at the car and said the battery cable is loose. First dealer had replaced D. Sound Module amp (twice) and instrument Cluster (once).
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MM is a worthless piece of paper...
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The fact is that the more you mod your car the more you are at the mercy of the service department at the dealership, treat them nice and choose your battles and they may or may not help you out. One must remember that it is the manufacturer that provides and pays for any work done not the dealership, if they push the envelope to far they could be left holding the bag. Just being realistic and a bit of the devils advocate... If I mod my car to a point and say take it to the track, it is a concious gamble that if something breaks most likely I will pay the bill. Now if you put a sway bar on and the AC goes bad or a seat comes apart and the dealership doesn't want to fix it under warranty..that's BS. Time to battle.:nod:
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Exactly. You play, you pay.
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I chose to only do the CAI, thinking that it's the least intrusive and if I really had to could put the stock box back on. I can see if I'm changing out pipes, reprogramming ECU modules, etc. that I'm running a bigger risk, however with just a CAI all you're doing is making it easier for the engine to breath but haven't fundamentally changed the design or operation characteristics of the system. Just my opinion...
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I am not sure how many of you have actually attempted to put the MMWA into action but it is not as clean cut and dry as you might think. I would say if you are seriously worried about your warranty drive the car. DO NOT MOD. I know easier said than done but 9 times out of 10 you will get burned by the stealership.
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Originally Posted by donmiller714
(Post 3054447)
I chose to only do the CAI, thinking that it's the least intrusive and if I really had to could put the stock box back on. I can see if I'm changing out pipes, reprogramming ECU modules, etc. that I'm running a bigger risk, however with just a CAI all you're doing is making it easier for the engine to breath but haven't fundamentally changed the design or operation characteristics of the system. Just my opinion...
For instance, the '03 Ford diesel pickup trucks usually will not run properly with a CAI. They can run so poorly that the turbo is effected which is a costly repair. While most dealerships will repair this under warranty, it is a one time deal. Customer can be flagged in their profile of the happening and now all dealers can view this information. If it becomes extreme the warranty can be very quickly void because of the customer being informed of the situation. This is only one instance and there are many more. What I can tell you is, read the owners manual carefully and ensure that the systems that you are modifying do not effect other systems in any way. This can lead to a warranty cancellation if systems are crossed and a failure occurs. As stated before, try to be nice to the dealer when under warranty and they (usually) will take care of you. :thumbsup: |
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