Stock Problems/Issues Discussions related to warranty related issues and repairs, or other problems with the OEM parts and software for MINI Cooper (R50), Cabrio (R52), and Cooper S (R53) MINIs.

Car will turn over, but just wont "POP"

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #26  
Old 01-21-2011, 05:08 AM
rhcp4life's Avatar
rhcp4life
rhcp4life is offline
3rd Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: eastern iowa
Posts: 258
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by JPMM
Man you're on top of it swapping out parts is all we can do about now. But how does the grounded out wire cause the car not to start while it sits overnite? Did the wire move itself while car was sitting there?
No idea.. im going to look into the bentley manual, and look at the ignition circuit.
 
  #27  
Old 01-21-2011, 10:25 AM
Eric_Rowland's Avatar
Eric_Rowland
Eric_Rowland is offline
OVERDRIVE
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
Posts: 13,374
Received 43 Likes on 38 Posts
Originally Posted by rhcp4life
It's a yellow top

I talked to another guy he said he ended up replacing his DME module (computer)

I think I may have shorted out the DME, because of map sensor grounding if it where the power wire it may have produced Hightower current that the powe supply couldn't handle.. Still unsure going to see if I can find someone parting out a mini
Ugh. Parts replacement therapy at that level is expensive.
Is there any way to test the MAP sensor? (i.e. start with the cheapest parts first!)
 
  #28  
Old 01-21-2011, 02:30 PM
HRM's Avatar
HRM
HRM is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Darien, CT
Posts: 1,518
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
How about the connection for the coil?
 
  #29  
Old 01-21-2011, 03:31 PM
JPMM's Avatar
JPMM
JPMM is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: East IA
Posts: 2,775
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
I'd like to volunteer my car's parts for experimental eliminations but I just got it running Roys has a Mini for sale.....
 
  #30  
Old 01-22-2011, 02:43 PM
rhcp4life's Avatar
rhcp4life
rhcp4life is offline
3rd Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: eastern iowa
Posts: 258
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
I check my manual the wire that is bare is either the output signal or the 5v power supply, I will get a multimeter at work tomorrow and see if I have voltage going to the map sensor, should be 5v.

If I have voltage and it's the probably the sensor, at least I'm hoping so

If no voltage I can check the voltage of another sensor to see if it's the power supply from the DME
 
  #31  
Old 01-22-2011, 03:46 PM
rhcp4life's Avatar
rhcp4life
rhcp4life is offline
3rd Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: eastern iowa
Posts: 258
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
so i have been looking up the cost of the dme computer, and its bout 1600 plus installation and programming.
Found a place on the web http://www.rpmmotorsport.net/

They do DME programming.. so if worse comes to worse at least i could probably pick one up on ebay and have them flash it.
 
  #32  
Old 01-22-2011, 04:47 PM
JPMM's Avatar
JPMM
JPMM is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: East IA
Posts: 2,775
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Originally Posted by rhcp4life
I check my manual the wire that is bare is either the output signal or the 5v power supply, I will get a multimeter at work tomorrow and see if I have voltage going to the map sensor, should be 5v.

If I have voltage and it's the probably the sensor, at least I'm hoping so

If no voltage I can check the voltage of another sensor to see if it's the power supply from the DME
I have a good voltmeter you can use.
 
  #33  
Old 01-23-2011, 01:19 AM
Giantdny's Avatar
Giantdny
Giantdny is offline
Neutral
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: PDX
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Try an ignition switch too. It the ews doesn't get the correct signal from the ignition switch then it won't send the signal to spark. Seen it more than once. Much cheaper than dme....
 
  #34  
Old 01-23-2011, 07:08 AM
JPMM's Avatar
JPMM
JPMM is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: East IA
Posts: 2,775
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
could your non start issue be tied to your no or low oil pressure signal issue? Maybe its saying you have no oil and will not start?
 
  #35  
Old 01-23-2011, 07:13 AM
JPMM's Avatar
JPMM
JPMM is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: East IA
Posts: 2,775
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Maybe one of the tuner shops that are on NAM would loan you a good ECU or they could check out yours
 
  #36  
Old 01-23-2011, 07:46 AM
JPMM's Avatar
JPMM
JPMM is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: East IA
Posts: 2,775
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
  #37  
Old 01-23-2011, 08:00 AM
JPMM's Avatar
JPMM
JPMM is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: East IA
Posts: 2,775
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
  #38  
Old 01-23-2011, 06:29 PM
rhcp4life's Avatar
rhcp4life
rhcp4life is offline
3rd Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: eastern iowa
Posts: 258
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by JPMM
Maybe one of the tuner shops that are on NAM would loan you a good ECU or they could check out yours
Yeah i think the ECU needs to be programmed specifically for each mini, Im going to check the voltage tomorrow.

and I can check the ews plug also.


Hey JPMM would you happen to have a code reader i could borrow?
 
  #39  
Old 01-23-2011, 06:58 PM
JPMM's Avatar
JPMM
JPMM is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: East IA
Posts: 2,775
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Originally Posted by rhcp4life
Yeah i think the ECU needs to be programmed specifically for each mini, Im going to check the voltage tomorrow.

and I can check the ews plug also.


Hey JPMM would you happen to have a code reader i could borrow?
sure
 
  #40  
Old 01-24-2011, 03:43 PM
rhcp4life's Avatar
rhcp4life
rhcp4life is offline
3rd Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: eastern iowa
Posts: 258
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
So I used JPMM's code reader but it gave me "no link" about 7 times, I know it worked because we he tested it on his to show me how to use it.

checked multiple pins and plugs I got no voltage with the key in the ON pos.

i even checked every pin on the map sensor all read 0vdc...
I am going to have to assume that its the ECU, really dont know what else to think.
 
  #41  
Old 01-24-2011, 04:09 PM
rhcp4life's Avatar
rhcp4life
rhcp4life is offline
3rd Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: eastern iowa
Posts: 258
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Called RMP motorsport out of Canada and talked to a guy he had said I should get an ecu on ebay and see if the code reader would then talk to the new ecu. if it does then I know its the ecu if it doesnt then I know its my car..
 
  #42  
Old 01-24-2011, 04:45 PM
Eric_Rowland's Avatar
Eric_Rowland
Eric_Rowland is offline
OVERDRIVE
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
Posts: 13,374
Received 43 Likes on 38 Posts
Ugh. Can the ECU just be swapped out? I thought they were paired with a particular key so it would know if it should start - that's why replacement keys are so expensive.
 
  #43  
Old 01-25-2011, 04:42 AM
JPMM's Avatar
JPMM
JPMM is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: East IA
Posts: 2,775
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Originally Posted by rhcp4life
Checked a couple of fuses today, fuel pump (F20, 20A, inside left kick panel) and ECM; ignition coil fuel injectors; crankshaft position sensor (F02, 20A, under the bonnet. both fuses were good.

Here are some pictures of a bare ware was rubbing, just noticed it but where not touching when i tried to start the car.
I will try and tape up the wires and start it again, idk if the high voltage associated with the coil would make it arc to the metal.


you might meter all the fuses just to make sure that they are good.
 
  #44  
Old 01-25-2011, 04:43 AM
JPMM's Avatar
JPMM
JPMM is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: East IA
Posts: 2,775
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Originally Posted by Eric_Rowland
If you've got battery power, it's either fuel or spark.
Not sure if the old 'pull the plug, attach to plug wire, and look for spark' still works (might throw a code?), but that's one possible option.
does anyone know if this works?
 
  #45  
Old 01-25-2011, 08:09 AM
JPMM's Avatar
JPMM
JPMM is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: East IA
Posts: 2,775
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
  #46  
Old 01-25-2011, 08:16 AM
JPMM's Avatar
JPMM
JPMM is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: East IA
Posts: 2,775
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Steuergerat box??

Immobilizer Controls

The MINI Cooper is equipped with a component called the "EWS3-Steuergerat box" that is hidden under the dashboard near the front driver's side wheel arch. The wiring and circuitry inside this box control the immobilizer, which can affect start-up if it's not functioning. A small switch in the box is designed to click into place at start-up; but if there is no switch movement, the engine will not start dead. You'll need to replace the box or have a mechanic check the wiring for you.
 
  #47  
Old 01-25-2011, 03:05 PM
rhcp4life's Avatar
rhcp4life
rhcp4life is offline
3rd Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: eastern iowa
Posts: 258
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
turns out the main dme relay fuse was loose,


GRRRR
finally got it back up and running
 
  #48  
Old 01-25-2011, 03:22 PM
JPMM's Avatar
JPMM
JPMM is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: East IA
Posts: 2,775
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Originally Posted by rhcp4life
turns out the main dme relay fuse was loose,


GRRRR
finally got it back up and running
well that what I said it was!!!!


the ole dme relay is loose trick



but nooo, you didn't listen



just kidding, that's a big wow!
 
  #49  
Old 01-25-2011, 03:24 PM
JPMM's Avatar
JPMM
JPMM is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: East IA
Posts: 2,775
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
by the way ....whats a dme relay
 
  #50  
Old 01-25-2011, 03:40 PM
Eric_Rowland's Avatar
Eric_Rowland
Eric_Rowland is offline
OVERDRIVE
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
Posts: 13,374
Received 43 Likes on 38 Posts
Originally Posted by rhcp4life
turns out the main dme relay fuse was loose,


GRRRR
finally got it back up and running
Congrats!

And WTF? So the frayed wire was just coincidentally noted because the fuse was loose? Where is it? How is it seated? <runs out to fully seat dme relay fuse...>
 


Quick Reply: Car will turn over, but just wont "POP"



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:29 AM.