How many considered a Clubman first?
 

Hey Folks -

I'm starting to get bored with my current car and was looking into switching over to a JCW. My first choice was a Clubman JCW but choices are slim and I'm concerned about getting a baby into a rear facing car seat. The Countryman looks like it would handle it well but I'd be giving up some of the "light on its feet" feel that I wanted. I did drive a Countryman S a while back and although it felt tossable it didn't feel as lively as the Clubman stock for stock. In the end however I think the Countryman would fit my needs better as a father of a 2 month old in the northeast (AWD helps).

Can you guys answer a couple questions for me?

1. If you cross-shopped the Countryman with Clubman, why did you chose the Countryman?
2. Have you dont any modifications to make it feel more sporty? What was the best one?
3. Even though the Countryman is bigger did you ever find it still limiting?
4. Does it ever feel too big or too heavy?
5. Do you know how the All4 works? (i.e. Haldex based?)

Wife originally wanted Clubman but decided it reminded her of a hearse. She also wanted the ALL4, but oddly in the end it became my car and she has a VW Golf TDI.

Mods so far, panel filter and JB+

Size is just about right for our needs, can use the VW when I want small, faster and more torque (loads more).

No idea on how the ALL4 works, it just does, sure footed in snow.

I can only compare it to a Clubman S loaner I had, which felt like a rocket. You will give up some of that. If you go with the sport suspension on the Countryman, it'll be plenty tossable. I have a larger sway bar on my S All4 and could hang with a modern GTI in the corners on the track (it had more HP and pulled away in the straights). That said, for me it was the perfect balance of price, fun, nimbleness, and practicality for me and my family. (FYI, they don't stay in rear facing car seats very long). Haven't regretted it once!

I love the All4 in dry, rain, or snow. I don't know that I could go back to FWD at this point.

I had my Clubbie S Blue for 5 years before Lucy.

The All 4 makes all the difference in the world. I went JCW and it still lumbers a little compared to old blue. But though I get some body she is amazingly sure footed in hard cornering. Also no torque steer and no tearing up front tires by spinning like I did with my Cubbie. Also can take a couple folks to lunch etc. no problem blend. New Clubbie is out shortly and looks to solve te rear access issues.

I miss the barn doors, great with the dogs and I am just not a hatch person.

AWD system is pretty much safety biased (as you mentioned, haldex like), with a little persuasion you can have some good fun in the snow (scandinavian flick is your friend). Overall the size is perfect for a small family hauler, and living where i live, the ground clearance is welcome come wintertime. As far as power, its adequate (CM S), and was decent with JB+ and panel air filter. Now im trying to lock down a tune, so we'll see how much that improves the situation.

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Thanks for the responses. It's a tough decision. I really want the speed and agility of the Clubman but the more I look at it the more I realize it's impractical. I have a 2 month old and I can't imagine putting her into a rear facing seat. The access just isn't there.

In short if I could get a Countryman to be as quick as a Clubman I think I'd be happy.

I've been scoping out some of the JCW models and am just waiting for one to be for sale locally so I can take it for a spin.

Main reasons were AWD and something to fit the in-laws in when needed.

R60 has factory sport suspension (a MUST), a K&N panel, VIP front strut bar, and JB+, rear sway is waiting to go on.

We have had 5 MINI's, and currently have an R56 S as well. It has a K&N Panel and a rear sway. The Hardtop is much faster, sportier, lighter, etc. Goes like stink compared to the R60.

But, I still love the R60. It just bombs over everything and doesn't care. Yeah, it is not as direct, but the sway bar will help that. Love launching the AWD - no tire spin, it just goes - and it rocks in the winter.

Have you considered the F56 4 door? I had a loaner S and it was quick, handled well and had a bit more room in the back - which was much more accessible with the back doors.

Good luck!