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countrymanman 03-23-2014 10:38 AM

what ecu upgrade should i do?
 
Hello all, new to the forums and now a month into owning my 2012 countryman s. I have put on the short ram intake and a 2.5 cat back. I want to take the first real power step and get an ecu upgrade, but I live in utah. So I don't exactly have tuning options locally. I also can't be without my car for days trying to mail my ecu around. You guys got any ideas? I've been looking into vrtuning and ecutuninggroup.com. anyone know anything about either of these companies? I'm leaning towards them because I can flash my ecu myself with either of these supposedly.

52804x4 03-23-2014 12:27 PM

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-bms-tune.html

countrymanman 03-23-2014 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by 52804x4 (Post 3900888)

I read over the article and went to the company's website, the jb+ sounds like it may work for what I'm looking for,but I can't find the "can tool" so I can learn more about making adjustments. If I'm understanding right, the jb+ will up my boost and adjust my a\f. But it doesn't lift the speed limitor or let me adjust rev limit, or really make any adjustments, save for the can tool that can "kick it up a notch". Only if I have the appropriate addons that make it safe for me to go further then the default setting. So where can I learn more about the can tool, and the other power settings of the jb+? Also does anyone know about vrtuning or ecutuninggroup and there home tuners?

Blackstallion 03-23-2014 02:53 PM

Search this: Burger motorsport (BMS) Tune(s)

Search this thread and read through it. I'm sure most of your questions have already been answered on here.

countrymanman 03-23-2014 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by Blackstallion (Post 3900943)
Search this: Burger motorsport (BMS) Tune(s)

Search this thread and read through it. I'm sure most of your questions have already been answered on here.

I'm reading through page after page, but no offense, I want to know what the can tool is, and what it can do according to the manufacturer. I can't find it on their website, but want to know their claims on it before I buy it because a person suggested it as an option on a forum I just joined. Is it called something else on their website?

chrunck 03-23-2014 07:09 PM

I can't find the CAN tool on their site anymore either. It doesn't do anything essential. Reads codes, and it can hijack the gauges to display boost, AFR, and timing advance.

If you're looking for more than a few pounds of boost, I'd check out the NM tune: http://www.nm-eng.com/nmchip-nm-eng-ecu-tuning.html

There's also Renntech, ETG, Manic. See thread here: https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...9050&styleid=8

RobMuntean 03-23-2014 07:35 PM

Don't look at ETG.

RennTech, NM, PAW(Precision Auto Werks), Group4auto, and DNA/Wagner motorsports(NC, can do N18s for $579). Best options but RennTech is super expensive when you can get similar results with the likes of PAW or Group4auto. DNA/Wagner said they can do custom tunes for the N18 and shipping back is included in the price!

Good luck!

cerenkov 03-23-2014 07:57 PM

If you can wait a month or two, flash tuning via the obd2 port will become available for the N18 engine.

With regard to the JB+, the Can tool is no longer available and all it does is monitor engine parameters anyway so there are much better devices to monitor and log these same parameters, namely the smart phone app DashCommand, Torque is another.

BMS also sells Bavarian Technic cable which is also much better but I've heard it does not work well with the N18, you need to confirm that though.

I would suggest to patient for the flash tuning.

WayMotorWorks 03-23-2014 08:41 PM

We've had many customers happy with the JB Module

http://www.waymotorworks.com/jb-plug...18-engine.html

Melangell 03-24-2014 01:05 AM

Dude, you are SO far from wanting a tune...

GP0256 03-24-2014 04:02 AM

If you want the quickest, most cost effective way to make your car have mor grunt, the JB+ is the way to go. It is also easily reversible and you can take it off before or when you get to the dealer for maintenance and have a lot less likelihood of voiding your warranty or having them wipe it out with a reflash of the ECU because you are having issues with windows, or the moonroof, or anything else which is run by the ecu (basically the entire car!). We are very happy with the JB+ and I think with your mods, this is the way to go.

countrymanman 03-24-2014 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by Melangell (Post 3901176)
Dude, you are SO far from wanting a tune...

Could you explain? Or are you just trolling?

countrymanman 03-24-2014 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by WayMotorWorks (Post 3901116)
We've had many customers happy with the JB Module

http://www.waymotorworks.com/jb-plug...18-engine.html

I did buy my intake from you guys, if I decide to go with the jb+ I'll look you guys up again

Melangell 03-24-2014 06:51 AM

I don't troll. You are wanting to tune an otherwise almost untouched engine. The cat-back is basically a money wasting sound enhancer and who knows what a "short ram intake" is... I'm assuming that you have pulled the air box and added an open filter which basically pulls hotter engine compartment air into your turbo. Turbos don't need "ram air" (look up the phrase). The fact that you are wanting others to tell you what to do instead of going through the hassle of actually reading the hundreds of threads on this issue and doing additional study speaks volumes. You won't get as much out of whatever tune you get with stock parts but if you like the idea of having a tune...

RobMuntean 03-24-2014 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by melangell (Post 3901238)
i don't troll. You are wanting to tune an otherwise almost untouched engine. The cat-back is basically a money wasting sound enhancer and who knows what a "short ram intake" is... I'm assuming that you have pulled the air box and added an open filter which basically pulls hotter engine compartment air into your turbo. Turbos don't need "ram air" (look up the phrase). The fact that you are wanting others to tell you what to do instead of going through the hassle of actually reading the hundreds of threads on this issue and doing additional study speaks volumes. You won't get as much out of whatever tune you get with stock parts but if you like the idea of having a tune...

+1

countrymanman 03-24-2014 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Melangell (Post 3901238)
I don't troll. You are wanting to tune an otherwise almost untouched engine. The cat-back is basically a money wasting sound enhancer and who knows what a "short ram intake" is... I'm assuming that you have pulled the air box and added an open filter which basically pulls hotter engine compartment air into your turbo. Turbos don't need "ram air" (look up the phrase). The fact that you are wanting others to tell you what to do instead of going through the hassle of actually reading the hundreds of threads on this issue and doing additional study speaks volumes. You won't get as much out of whatever tune you get with stock parts but if you like the idea of having a tune...

I've had my car for, like I said originally, a month now. I put a DDM intake on it. It's not a CAI, since I have yet to see a TRUE CAI for this car. Therefore it is called a short "ram" intake. I'm under the impression that improving airflow, especially in a turbo vehicle, is a good thing. So why not put a catback system on, and follow with the downpipe when I can. I know I'm not getting any big hp gains from a simple intake and cat back, but again I've had the car for a month, and am building. A tune, FMIC, and aluminum intake piping make sense to me as my next steps. I'm sorry you have nothing better to do then troll this forum and be as vague as possible about the "advice" you give. I promise I won't listen to anything you say anymore, or pay you any further attention. Have a nice day. :thumbsup:

countrymanman 03-24-2014 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by cerenkov (Post 3901102)
If you can wait a month or two, flash tuning via the obd2 port will become available for the N18 engine.

With regard to the JB+, the Can tool is no longer available and all it does is monitor engine parameters anyway so there are much better devices to monitor and log these same parameters, namely the smart phone app DashCommand, Torque is another.

BMS also sells Bavarian Technic cable which is also much better but I've heard it does not work well with the N18, you need to confirm that though.

I would suggest to patient for the flash tuning.

I think you're right, maybe I'll get an FMIC in the meantime until obd2 flash tuning is available. Thanks for the insight.

Melangell 03-24-2014 01:05 PM

Sigh... Chuckle.

Nmagnum7 03-26-2014 06:56 AM

I put a Alta sticker on both my driver and passenger door. Butt dyno feels at least a 20whp gain. I might be under estimating, but not exactly sure.

countrymanman 03-26-2014 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by Nmagnum7 (Post 3902578)
I put a Alta sticker on both my driver and passenger door. Butt dyno feels at least a 20whp gain. I might be under estimating, but not exactly sure.

20 souds about right unless you got really big stickers. Then your prolly up around 40-50 hp

AllBlack05S 12-29-2016 04:49 PM

Those JB "tune" module afrs look horrible on the dyno sheet posted on Way's site I'll be avoiding that product.

AWD_Rally 12-30-2016 03:14 PM

Find MarioKart on here, name is Mario Palza. He can hook you up with a solid tune. Let em know Adam sent you!


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