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Old Nov 28, 2018 | 02:23 PM
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Mini isnt supporting us with remanufactured automatic Aisin Warner transmissions

I swapped out the Aisn Warner automatic transmission (GA6F21WA I believe is the part #) in my 2008 S with 155k miles on it and I would have preferred to buy a remanufacured trans but Mini isnt supporting the aftermarket. Neither the Mini dealer in Alexanria VA, nor a transmission shop in my area that does lots of Minis nor a BMW/Mini Specialist shop could find anyone that carried remanufactured transmissions.

The only options were used with 6-12 month warranties for $600-1000 for the part (think LKQ or Bavarian Motor Exchange and roll the dice) or paying a shop $4500 to rebuild mine with only a 1 year warranty (!!!) or a new one from Mini for $10,000 plus labor (Warranty?)

Its really sad that Mini and Aisin Warner arent supporting us owners with remanufactured transmissions with a decent warranty. These transmissions are used in more than just Minis. We deserve better.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2018 | 02:30 PM
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https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...24007609181kt/ did you see this?

I will check with my people at Aisin and get back to you.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2018 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ECSTuning
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...24007609181kt/ did you see this?

I will check with my people at Aisin and get back to you.
Ya I heard about a recent discount on OEM transmissions but honestly, $7000? That's ridiculous.

Add another $400 for shipping the new and core. Plus at least $1000 for installation if you cant do it on your own. Plus tax.

Its $8000-9000 when all is said and done. No R56 Mini is worth that at the stage the cars need a new transmission, so they end up at the metal scrapper.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2018 | 02:50 PM
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I am going to check with my guys and see if there is anything out there aftermarket. We had the best connections and I will try to help.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2018 | 05:42 PM
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Factory Reman?

I’m curious how a factory reman trans would solve the dilemma.
You are correct that a typical 150,000+ Mile MINI is not likely worth a 7~9000 trans.
But if a local rebuild is 4500, then a factory reman would likely cost 6000. In no case would it be less than the local rebuilder. So I really doesn’t solve the issue except for the likely better warranty.
i have an R56 with the Aisin and 172000 miles a fervent hope that the trans doesn’t die, because there’s no way the car can merit a six-grand repair. It will get a junkyard takeout. You really have to consider that this same dilemma applies to *most* cars out there, especially the lower price-class cars like our MINIs. It’s just a fact of economics.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2018 | 05:53 PM
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I have an auto and now I’m starting to sweat. lol
no problem so far, but who know what the future holds. Ten Grand for a transmission? Holy cow!
 
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I have a '05 S with the auto trans. The dealer will not change the oil. I think that is what is necessary to keep them from disintegrating. Off for a 5 .5 hr dr to Detroit Tuned...
 
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Old Nov 30, 2018 | 07:16 PM
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Oh man, I wish I lived close enough to go there and shop! Lol
 
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Old Dec 1, 2018 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by MrSurly
I’m curious how a factory reman trans would solve the dilemma.
You are correct that a typical 150,000+ Mile MINI is not likely worth a 7~9000 trans.
But if a local rebuild is 4500, then a factory reman would likely cost 6000. In no case would it be less than the local rebuilder. So I really doesn’t solve the issue except for the likely better warranty.
i have an R56 with the Aisin and 172000 miles a fervent hope that the trans doesn’t die, because there’s no way the car can merit a six-grand repair. It will get a junkyard takeout. You really have to consider that this same dilemma applies to *most* cars out there, especially the lower price-class cars like our MINIs. It’s just a fact of economics.
Yes economics indeed. But if mini wants to support long running R56's then it needs to offer the parts for these rebuilds for less money and or remanufactured units for a more reasonable price. $4500 and a 6 month guarantee was what I was quoted at one shop and $5300 at another. The $4500 is from a shop that does many mini trannies or so they claim.

$6700 from minii on sale plus $1200 for installation is idiotic. Even the mini mechanic said it was absurd.

A mini specialists near me talked to some of the biggest transmission dealers in the Mid-Atlantic and they said they don't even go near these Aisin Warner trannies. My question is why not?!
 
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Old Dec 1, 2018 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Lex2008
Yes economics indeed. But if mini wants to support long running R56's then it needs to offer the parts for these rebuilds for less money and or remanufactured units for a more reasonable price. $4500 and a 6 month guarantee was what I was quoted at one shop and $5300 at another. The $4500 is from a shop that does many mini trannies or so they claim.

$6700 from minii on sale plus $1200 for installation is idiotic. Even the mini mechanic said it was absurd.

A mini specialists near me talked to some of the biggest transmission dealers in the Mid-Atlantic and they said they don't even go near these Aisin Warner trannies. My question is why not?!
what you’re describing (unfortunately) is not a MINI phenomenon; modern auto trans units are stupid-expensive to overhaul and dramatically more involved than the old school 3-speed Turbo 350 (GM) or the Torqueflite from Chrysler. Modern units have five to 9(!) speeds and a pile of electronics, many of which have to be replaced at rebuild. A Mustang or Tahoe or F150 trans job is also thousands of dollars these days. The point I’m getting at is that the economics suck for most modern cars once they age. Damned few cars out there at this kind of mileage can justify a 4-5000 dollar repair. Potential availability of a factory reman unit would in no way help that math because it won’t be cheaper than 4500. We have old “modern” cars that aren’t worth enough to justify the cost to repair their modern components. Price a reman engine(!) I know someone whose Edge needs a sunroof repair that costs $3500! The idea that the mfr might have a ‘duty’ to supply lower cost parts to keep their older cars on the road longer....is silly. They’re in business to sell new cars, not prop up old ones (which prevents a customer from buying another new one).
No, the point is that we just have accept the fact that buying used parts is a thing. It’s a very sensible thing at that.
 

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Old Dec 1, 2018 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Goldsmithy
I have a '05 S with the auto trans. The dealer will not change the oil. I think that is what is necessary to keep them from disintegrating. Off for a 5 .5 hr dr to Detroit Tuned...
Yep we fix them as needed. It's not a wide spread problem. Over all they are a good trans, but normally they just need a flush and valve body ans they are good to go. We have been doing the flush with a rebuilt valve body for about $1,000.00. MINI will sell you a Valve Body...for 2399, plus core, no thanks...good MINI shops always have solutions. We will do a flush no problem as well. No such thing as lift time fluid. Alot of good info here: https://www.detroittuned.com/aisin-a...mission-fluid/
 
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Old Dec 1, 2018 | 12:17 PM
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I guess I'm lucky that there is a transmission shop near me that specializes in Aisin transmission service and rebuilds, they recommend changing the transmission fluid and filter every 50,000 miles. MINIs have the same automatic transmissions as Volkswagens (Aisin 09G and 09M).
 
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Old Dec 3, 2018 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DneprDave
I guess I'm lucky that there is a transmission shop near me that specializes in Aisin transmission service and rebuilds, they recommend changing the transmission fluid and filter every 50,000 miles. MINIs have the same automatic transmissions as Volkswagens (Aisin 09G and 09M).
Which shop is that?
 
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Old Dec 3, 2018 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MrSurly


what you’re describing (unfortunately) is not a MINI phenomenon; modern auto trans units are stupid-expensive to overhaul and dramatically more involved than the old school 3-speed Turbo 350 (GM) or the Torqueflite from Chrysler. Modern units have five to 9(!) speeds and a pile of electronics, many of which have to be replaced at rebuild. A Mustang or Tahoe or F150 trans job is also thousands of dollars these days. The point I’m getting at is that the economics suck for most modern cars once they age. Damned few cars out there at this kind of mileage can justify a 4-5000 dollar repair. Potential availability of a factory reman unit would in no way help that math because it won’t be cheaper than 4500. We have old “modern” cars that aren’t worth enough to justify the cost to repair their modern components. Price a reman engine(!) I know someone whose Edge needs a sunroof repair that costs $3500! The idea that the mfr might have a ‘duty’ to supply lower cost parts to keep their older cars on the road longer....is silly. They’re in business to sell new cars, not prop up old ones (which prevents a customer from buying another new one).
No, the point is that we just have accept the fact that buying used parts us a thing. It’s a very sensible thing at that.
Point well taken. It made me laugh to hear the owner of a reputable and old transmission shop in my area tell me that she NEVER recommends a used transmission (which I would never either). After calling everyone in her "rolodex" she realized she couldnt get a rebuilt one anywhere. Only other option was she could rebuild it for $4500 with a 6 month warranty. 6 months! Absurd.

Thanks for your thoughts.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2018 | 08:30 AM
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Which shop is that?
https://www.transmissionsolympia.com...ission-repair/
 
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Old Dec 3, 2018 | 10:44 AM
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According to these guys: "To truly solve the problem with this transmission, you need to get it re-engineered, to put it simply. This involves upgrading certain parts of the valve body and bores to make sure it handles its fluids properly. That way, you prevent the leakage and wear caused by the transmission’s defects.

To get the transmission in your Jetta properly fixed, you need to know how the transmission is put together and exactly what is going wrong. The dealer won’t do this for you. They’ll simply replace the transmission or valve body with an OEM model, knowing full well that the problem will likely continue."

I wonder how much they charge.
 
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